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>they're only angry... situationally. You don't know, though! I mean, not everybody gets angry that easy, but many are aware that you don't have to commit a cr
by perl4ever 5y ago
>they're only angry... situationally.
You don't know, though! I mean, not everybody gets angry that easy, but many are aware that you don't have to commit a crime or do something wrong to be barred from crossing an international border.
I remember an article by a woman who was turned back from Canada because she had antidepressant medication with her.
- tptacek 5y agoI spent a couple years working for a company in Calgary, with a staff mostly from the US, and this was a recurring concern. It's not a thing that just started for Chelsea Manning.
- perl4ever 5y agoWhat was a recurring concern? Politics? Psych meds? Commuted or expunged convictions?
- tptacek 5y agoThat it was not a given that members of our team would be allowed past immigration control at the airport in Calgary.
- perl4ever 5y agoA co-worker of mine went to Pakistan and unexpectedly couldn't get readmitted to the US for years. At least the company kept him on, working remotely.
- pbourke 5y agoCanadians living in the US on work visas have the same worries when reentering the US.
- tptacek 5y agoNo doubt! Absolutely true! We were ultimately acquired by an American company, and American immigration rules caused problems for the Canadians. My point isn't that Canada is distinctively bad; it's that this story has nothing the hell to do with Chelsea Manning.
- perl4ever 5y ago>this story has nothing the hell to do with Chelsea Manning I mean, no need to debate it, who knows, but I think you're exaggerating your certainty. It's possible that this has an additional political dimension, even though similar things can happen without it.
- tptacek 5y agoI don't think I'm exaggerating at all. Canada routinely bars entry to convicted felons from the US. Manning is famously a felon. This is what irritates me about this story; the people making the most noise about it don't care at all about the ordinary ex-convicts that Canada bars, just this celebrity.
- pbourke 5y agoIndeed. People are talking themselves in knots about how “unprogressive” it is that Manning is denied entry. Canada and the US recognize each other’s judicial systems, and Manning was convicted of a serious crime that has not been expunged. There is a process by which people can seek a special entry and Manning has used that while this appeal was underway. It seems like she’s trying to have CBSA declare her conviction unjust, which I feel is unjust itself. That’s not the purpose of the border service. How would people feel if someone convicted of insider trading, an arguably much more “victimless” crime than espionage, tried the same thing? I suspect the same people who argue for Manning to be admitted would argue against the hypothetical inside trader. The only just approach is to apply the standard fairly to all people.
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- Gibbon1 5y agoFriend of mine was denied entry for six months because she was born in Iran. Her family fled to Britain when she was 2. At the time she'd been living and working in the US for 10 years.