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>I am wondering why mobile apps too haven't entirely been replaced by Web apps Harder to track people and feed them ads.

xfer 5y ago
No it isn't, even the govt apps in my country have ads in them. With firefox i can easily block them, for apps this becomes much harder, if dns blocking isn't sufficient.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  Yep, that's exactly what I was saying!
- scns 5y ago
  What The Flying spaghetti monster?
Razengan 5y ago
> Harder to track people and feed them ads. In native apps, you mean?
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  It's not about whether they're native code or using a cross-platform API, but the fact that they're not web pages running in a browser. This allows them to "phone home" even when they're just running in the background, push notifications and bypass certain types of Adblocking (such as uBlock in Firefox). There is a good reason why so many websites push you to use the apps on mobile.
  - scns 5y ago
    On Android you can block every app with relatively fine grained control via TrackerControl [0]. Sometimes a little fiddly but worth it IMHO. You can download directly from the site, use the official client or use the much snappier Foxy Droid [1] that lacks features but i still recommend it. [0] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.fdroid/ https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.f... [1] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/ https://f-droid.org/de/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/
AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> Harder to track people and feed them ads. This is it. And it's really the app stores that make them so. On desktop, people are wary about installing programs, because they can pretty much do anything. So you can get people to visit your website who would never in a million years install your app on their PC. With app stores, people assume that apps are safe, because that's what they were promised. But then the apps are hoovering up all their personal information, even more than they get from a web page on a desktop. And the app stores that claim to be constraining bad behavior don't kick them out for it because huge social networks are some of the few companies with enough market power to divert their users to another phone platform.
- pantulis 5y ago
  I dont think parent was refering to web as in "web sites you can open in Safari", but apps built with web technologies, as in Ionic or similar.
blub 5y ago
Your comment can be interpreted in two opposite ways, but it seems you meant that native apps allow the better tracking and ad delivery. While mobile apps are quite awful from this perspective, you must consider that the web is by far the most efficient platform for ad delivery and tracking. It's the web which has cookie pop-ups with dozens and dozens of companies that want to track you. It's the web which led to the development of ad blockers. It's the web where an app developer has full access to your data on their servers. It's the web where an app developer can at any time flip a switch and turn on telemetry, ads, etc.

xfer 5y ago

No it isn't, even the govt apps in my country have ads in them. With firefox i can easily block them, for apps this becomes much harder, if dns blocking isn't sufficient.

AussieWog93 5y ago
Yep, that's exactly what I was saying!
scns 5y ago
What The Flying spaghetti monster?

Razengan 5y ago

> Harder to track people and feed them ads. In native apps, you mean?

AussieWog93 5y ago
It's not about whether they're native code or using a cross-platform API, but the fact that they're not web pages running in a browser. This allows them to "phone home" even when they're just running in the background, push notifications and bypass certain types of Adblocking (such as uBlock in Firefox). There is a good reason why so many websites push you to use the apps on mobile.
- scns 5y ago
  On Android you can block every app with relatively fine grained control via TrackerControl [0]. Sometimes a little fiddly but worth it IMHO. You can download directly from the site, use the official client or use the much snappier Foxy Droid [1] that lacks features but i still recommend it. [0] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.fdroid/ https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.f... [1] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/ https://f-droid.org/de/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/

AnthonyMouse 5y ago

> Harder to track people and feed them ads. This is it. And it's really the app stores that make them so. On desktop, people are wary about installing programs, because they can pretty much do anything. So you can get people to visit your website who would never in a million years install your app on their PC. With app stores, people assume that apps are safe, because that's what they were promised. But then the apps are hoovering up all their personal information, even more than they get from a web page on a desktop. And the app stores that claim to be constraining bad behavior don't kick them out for it because huge social networks are some of the few companies with enough market power to divert their users to another phone platform.

pantulis 5y ago
I dont think parent was refering to web as in "web sites you can open in Safari", but apps built with web technologies, as in Ionic or similar.

blub 5y ago

Your comment can be interpreted in two opposite ways, but it seems you meant that native apps allow the better tracking and ad delivery. While mobile apps are quite awful from this perspective, you must consider that the web is by far the most efficient platform for ad delivery and tracking. It's the web which has cookie pop-ups with dozens and dozens of companies that want to track you. It's the web which led to the development of ad blockers. It's the web where an app developer has full access to your data on their servers. It's the web where an app developer can at any time flip a switch and turn on telemetry, ads, etc.