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One thing I do know, is that the data sharing arrangement between the US and Canada, shares criminal records. For both countries, pardons, commuted sentences,
by bbarnett 5y ago
One thing I do know, is that the data sharing arrangement between the US and Canada, shares criminal records.
For both countries, pardons, commuted sentences, do not hide the transfer of information, and are meaningless. This is because each country only cares about the crime, and its own assessment of "should this person, with crime x, be allowed in".
Outside of that, a presidential commuted sentence, by its very nature, is political, not court based.
Lastly, each country puts the safety of its citizens, above the rights of foreigners to visit.
I wanted to reply with these points, before reading the article, as generic, non-case specific logic is important here.
- bbarnett 5y agoReplying to myself here, after reading. I have no idea, after reading. I wish I knew if the delays were standard (eg, backlog), and so on. I also wish I knew how others in this situation fare. As a Canuck, I want no special treatment for anyone, pro or against, but just the job done correctly, and that means fair, compared to how others are treated / the law. Is her lawyer using the media / spinning things, to try to help the case? Maybe. Not enough info for me to know wtf.
- sandworm101 5y ago>> the rights of foreigners to visit. Which is not actually a right. Americans have no more a right to travel to Canada than Canadians have a right to come to the US. I venture that more canadians are probably denied entry to the US than Americans are denied by Canada.
- perl4ever 5y ago>Which is not actually a right. It very much depends on who you ask. Some libertarians will say that it hasn't been that long the modern system has been in place. I think since roughly WWI? The lack of a "right" to enter a country could be compared with the modern lack of a right for pedestrians to walk in middle of most streets. Now and then some people get quite bitter about that.
- Lammy 5y agoHow quickly people forget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Init...
- anigbrowl 5y agoTrue, but I'm at a loss to see how the safety interests of Canadians are threatened by Chelsea Manning. It's not like she's violent or carried out a crime against members of the public. The crime, being against the state, was as much political as the commutation.
- tptacek 5y agoCanada wasn't threatened by either of the friends of mine who weren't allowed into the country because of previous criminal convictions. The article isn't wrong when it points out that this occurs routinely. Why is it only wrong when it impacts someone with a cheering section? People will say "it isn't only wrong then!", but they're only angry... situationally.
- perl4ever 5y ago>they're only angry... situationally. You don't know, though! I mean, not everybody gets angry that easy, but many are aware that you don't have to commit a crime or do something wrong to be barred from crossing an international border. I remember an article by a woman who was turned back from Canada because she had antidepressant medication with her.
- tptacek 5y agoI spent a couple years working for a company in Calgary, with a staff mostly from the US, and this was a recurring concern. It's not a thing that just started for Chelsea Manning.
- smnrchrds 5y ago> One thing I do know, is that the data sharing arrangement between the US and Canada, shares criminal records. Apparently they share way more than criminal records. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/canadian-woman-refused-u-s-entry-because-of-depression-1.2444960 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/canadian-woman-refuse...