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If society wants more babies, the path is easy: provide financial help for couples and single mothers. The way it currently is, abortion is very attractive.

lostcolony 5y ago
Yep. Carlin had this right; it's not being pro-life, it's being pro-birth. From birth until they turn 18 and can join the military, fuck 'em.
- coliveira 5y ago
  Exactly. People seem to forget why birthrates were so high in the past. It is not just lack of abortion (which happened), but the fact that more children would provide additional help in the daily farm work. In other words, it was very cheap ho have children and the financial benefit existed. In a post-industrial society, these incentives are reversed. It is very expensive to have children, and there are no financial incentives. That's why we have the declining birth rates everywhere we have an economically developed society.
draugadrotten 5y ago
Financial help is not all it takes to stop abortions. There are welfare states such as scandinavian ones where the financial help for having children and/or being a single mother is very generous. A single mother with 6 children can receive financial aid to the equivalent of a senior software engineer salary without having to work at all. Source: https://www.expressen.se/gt/gt-granskar/shukri-hade-fatt-lika--mycket-pengar-med--bidrag-jobbar-anda/ https://www.expressen.se/gt/gt-granskar/shukri-hade-fatt-lik... Even with these levels of financial support, abortions are common - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Sweden#Trends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Sweden#Trends
- Nitrolo 5y ago
  I'd just like to point out that raising 6 kids is very much hard work, even if you're a bad parent I find it hard to describe it as no work at all.
- coliveira 5y ago
  Your data shows that the trend of abortion in Sweden is stable since the 70s. So, no, there is no correlation between abortion and a decrease in birth rates.
thatfrenchguy 5y ago
It’s not just about money, raising children well is time expensive, hence why most couples who have a choice stop a 2-3.

lostcolony 5y ago

Yep. Carlin had this right; it's not being pro-life, it's being pro-birth. From birth until they turn 18 and can join the military, fuck 'em.

coliveira 5y ago
Exactly. People seem to forget why birthrates were so high in the past. It is not just lack of abortion (which happened), but the fact that more children would provide additional help in the daily farm work. In other words, it was very cheap ho have children and the financial benefit existed. In a post-industrial society, these incentives are reversed. It is very expensive to have children, and there are no financial incentives. That's why we have the declining birth rates everywhere we have an economically developed society.

draugadrotten 5y ago

Financial help is not all it takes to stop abortions. There are welfare states such as scandinavian ones where the financial help for having children and/or being a single mother is very generous. A single mother with 6 children can receive financial aid to the equivalent of a senior software engineer salary without having to work at all. Source: https://www.expressen.se/gt/gt-granskar/shukri-hade-fatt-lika--mycket-pengar-med--bidrag-jobbar-anda/ https://www.expressen.se/gt/gt-granskar/shukri-hade-fatt-lik... Even with these levels of financial support, abortions are common - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Sweden#Trends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Sweden#Trends

Nitrolo 5y ago
I'd just like to point out that raising 6 kids is very much hard work, even if you're a bad parent I find it hard to describe it as no work at all.
coliveira 5y ago
Your data shows that the trend of abortion in Sweden is stable since the 70s. So, no, there is no correlation between abortion and a decrease in birth rates.

thatfrenchguy 5y ago

It’s not just about money, raising children well is time expensive, hence why most couples who have a choice stop a 2-3.