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I never understood people who defend death If there is a tiger chasing you, wouldn't you try to escape or fight? Or just give up and let the tiger eat you? It

I never understood people who defend death If there is a tiger chasing you, wouldn't you try to escape or fight? Or just give up and let the tiger eat you? It is natural, tiger also want to eat, right?

spywaregorilla 5y ago
If your mental image of people who support the notion of death is people who are just apathetically suicidal, then you're missing the point.
- pochekailov 5y ago
  No, my point is that I personally am very afraid of death, and would fight death from the selfish reasons. People who support the notion of death seem not to constantly fear it themselves, but view it as something hypothetical, that they wouldn't have to face themselves in the near future (likely several decades).
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    I don't think I particular fear death. Fear of death is a monkey brain thing. I don't want to die because I enjoy living. But if I had the choice between dying immediately or living for a few more minutes while being pushed through a meat grinder, I think I, and everyone alive, would choose to die immediately. It's not too difficult to imagine torture and pain so horrific that even monkey brain prefers death. Human brain can make that judgment wherever it wants. I think the general case that shitty medical routes are just not worth it is often true.
- dennis_jeeves 5y ago
  >If your mental image of people who support the notion of death is people who are just apathetically suicidal, then you're missing the point. It is indeed what I think of most people, what point have I missed?
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  They're not suicidal. But they have this big inconsistency in their ethical framework. I mean, if an elder gets into a car accident, shouldn't we try to save them? If a fire starts in a nursing home, shouldn't the residents be evacuated and the fire put down? How come that everyone understands the importance of saving lives, but some flip 180 degrees on it if the cause looks "natural" enough and the victim is old enough?
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  > people who support the notion of death Isn't that a bit like supporting the notion that there is a sky above us? Perhaps you are referring to people who reject the notion that death is to be avoided in all circumstances, whatever the consequences.

spywaregorilla 5y ago

If your mental image of people who support the notion of death is people who are just apathetically suicidal, then you're missing the point.

pochekailov 5y ago
No, my point is that I personally am very afraid of death, and would fight death from the selfish reasons. People who support the notion of death seem not to constantly fear it themselves, but view it as something hypothetical, that they wouldn't have to face themselves in the near future (likely several decades).
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  I don't think I particular fear death. Fear of death is a monkey brain thing. I don't want to die because I enjoy living. But if I had the choice between dying immediately or living for a few more minutes while being pushed through a meat grinder, I think I, and everyone alive, would choose to die immediately. It's not too difficult to imagine torture and pain so horrific that even monkey brain prefers death. Human brain can make that judgment wherever it wants. I think the general case that shitty medical routes are just not worth it is often true.
dennis_jeeves 5y ago
>If your mental image of people who support the notion of death is people who are just apathetically suicidal, then you're missing the point. It is indeed what I think of most people, what point have I missed?
TeMPOraL 5y ago
They're not suicidal. But they have this big inconsistency in their ethical framework. I mean, if an elder gets into a car accident, shouldn't we try to save them? If a fire starts in a nursing home, shouldn't the residents be evacuated and the fire put down? How come that everyone understands the importance of saving lives, but some flip 180 degrees on it if the cause looks "natural" enough and the victim is old enough?
denton-scratch 5y ago
> people who support the notion of death Isn't that a bit like supporting the notion that there is a sky above us? Perhaps you are referring to people who reject the notion that death is to be avoided in all circumstances, whatever the consequences.