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> Undeniably, Sars2—like many other viruses—exploits the social activity of humans. Until now, the Covid bureaucrats have responded with rolling seasonal embarg

> Undeniably, Sars2—like many other viruses—exploits the social activity of humans. Until now, the Covid bureaucrats have responded with rolling seasonal embargoes on all human social activity that is not mediated by electronics. People who violate these restrictions are behaving irresponsibly and endangering all of society. Consider how much this stance differs from their approach to other viruses. Were gay men, at any point, ever exhorted to abstain from anal sex in the interests of defeating HIV? Was the gay community ever blamed for the AIDS epidemic and scolded by public health bureaucrats for worsening statistics? Were gay bars and bath houses ever targeted for closure or curfews or—imagine!—contact tracing, to flatten the curve? No, they weren’t; and if any of that had happened, we’d be reading to this day what a grave injustice all of it was. HIV is undeniably much harder on those it infects than Sars2, and I submit that, in the hierarchy of human needs, quotidian social interaction ranks well above anal sex. This post was so well-written! Despite the fact that it’s somewhat against the mainstream narrative and thus will never gain wide recognition. This comparison between HIV/AIDS and SarsCov2/Covid is probably the most damning indictment of society’s mismanagement of this virus.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
I would guess this claim puts an upper bracket on the age of the author of say 30? Maybe it varies by country.
jjk166 5y ago
> Were gay men, at any point, ever exhorted to abstain from anal sex in the interests of defeating HIV? Yes. The fact that gay sex was already illegal in many places just made it less controversial. > Was the gay community ever blamed for the AIDS epidemic and scolded by public health bureaucrats for worsening statistics? Yes. What was different then was that people dying due to "the gay flu" was not seen as a bad thing. And note that those who had HIV were not a threat to the public around them (barring those who came into contact with their bodily fluids), unlike for Covid. > Were gay bars and bath houses ever targeted for closure or curfews or—imagine!—contact tracing, to flatten the curve? Yes. https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/08/nyregion/city-closes-bar-frequented-by-homosexuals-citing-sexual-activity-linked-to-aids.html https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/08/nyregion/city-closes-bar-... With particular regard to contact tracing, nowadays failure to tell your partner if you know you are HIV positive is a crime, and healthcare providers are required to report the sex partners of positive individuals.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> This comparison between HIV/AIDS and SarsCov2/Covid is probably the most damning indictment of society’s mismanagement of this virus. Well, I mean, except that: (1) It seems to assume a lot of false similarities between HIV and SARS-COV-2, and (2) It explicitly takes false positions on every question it asks and then answers about the response to HIV (literally everything it says was not done was, in fact, done), and (3) It fails to recognize that the HIV pandemic itself was badly mismanaged, so that even if it wasn't wrong on analogizing the pandemics and wasn't wrong on all the facts of the HIV response, it would still have no probative value on the point it tries to make.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago

I would guess this claim puts an upper bracket on the age of the author of say 30? Maybe it varies by country.

jjk166 5y ago

> Were gay men, at any point, ever exhorted to abstain from anal sex in the interests of defeating HIV? Yes. The fact that gay sex was already illegal in many places just made it less controversial. > Was the gay community ever blamed for the AIDS epidemic and scolded by public health bureaucrats for worsening statistics? Yes. What was different then was that people dying due to "the gay flu" was not seen as a bad thing. And note that those who had HIV were not a threat to the public around them (barring those who came into contact with their bodily fluids), unlike for Covid. > Were gay bars and bath houses ever targeted for closure or curfews or—imagine!—contact tracing, to flatten the curve? Yes. https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/08/nyregion/city-closes-bar-frequented-by-homosexuals-citing-sexual-activity-linked-to-aids.html https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/08/nyregion/city-closes-bar-... With particular regard to contact tracing, nowadays failure to tell your partner if you know you are HIV positive is a crime, and healthcare providers are required to report the sex partners of positive individuals.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> This comparison between HIV/AIDS and SarsCov2/Covid is probably the most damning indictment of society’s mismanagement of this virus. Well, I mean, except that: (1) It seems to assume a lot of false similarities between HIV and SARS-COV-2, and (2) It explicitly takes false positions on every question it asks and then answers about the response to HIV (literally everything it says was not done was, in fact, done), and (3) It fails to recognize that the HIV pandemic itself was badly mismanaged, so that even if it wasn't wrong on analogizing the pandemics and wasn't wrong on all the facts of the HIV response, it would still have no probative value on the point it tries to make.