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weird how everyone is an "expert" about hydrogen vs EV and knows more than the biggest car company in the world.

• reducesuffering 5y ago
  The results speak for themselves. For years Toyota and Honda have been playing around with Hydrogen cars in tiny production numbers, lease-only, and with little progress, while Tesla is increasingly shipping more and more cars, 400x the Toyota Mirai numbers, to almost limitless demand.
  • ffggvv 5y ago
    didn't know the competition was over. We're still at less than 1% adoption. Thats like saying that the results speak for themselves about AOL winning the ISP wars in the 90s.
    • Hypx_ 5y ago
      This. Electric cars are currently at the dialup internet phase of adoption. It's unlikely the current leaders will be the future leaders. Nor will the current technology be the stuff we will use in the future.
      • greenonions 5y ago
        Sure, but I reckon the leader is even less likely to be Toyota than Tesla.
        • Hypx_ 5y ago
          Toyota is much more likely to be a major player in the future than Tesla. I don't think Toyota plans on being a leader of anything.
    • panick21 5y ago
      In some market, specially high tech rich markets, the adoption is already far, far higher. The car industry is not the same as the internet. Its not new industry, its a technology shift inside the existing industry. And plans have to be made 5 years ahead or more, and we know that pretty much every major player is going for EV and most of them have basically stopped working on hydrogen. The idea that we are are stupid and Toyota is smart ignore all the other companies that together are far larger then Toyota have picked differently. That why I hate the 'oh random guy thinks he knows more then X company'. You literally can not have an opinion without disagreeing with either Toyota or VW. We see basically no growth in hydrogen vehicles or hydrogen fuel stations, not even announcements of new cars or infrastructure. Building the need infrastructure is a decade long heavy investment project, it doesn't just come out of nowhere.
• asdff 5y ago
  Who knew there were so many polymaths on hackernews
  • thehappypm 5y ago
    Just yesterday there was a conversation about college degrees. Why is it that so many people here feel like they're an expert in absolutely everything? Condescending people who are vaccine skeptical, for one, as if they themselves were literal vaccine experts. There's so much hubris in the top tier of society it's almost sickening.
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    • smolder 5y ago
      You could say some of the top tier of society has a presence here, but I don't think it describes most of HN's audience and commentariat. Anyway, comment quality does vary a lot by subject matter. Industry insiders aren't likely to say anything new in this case, whether because of NDAs or language barriers or disinterest in HN, yet there is broad interest in the direction of automobile development. It's something people here are trying pretty hard to understand themselves, so they often feel they have gained enough insight to share, just as they do with COVID. I'm no sociologist though, this is just a layman's take. :)