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It's nonsensical in my opinion. There is no reference to relations between the "Soviet" and Soviet Russia. The only connection is the name.

cat199 5y ago
according to 5 minutes of wikipedia research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet On Friday 11 April a meeting of the United Trades and Labour Council, to which Byrne had been a delegate, took place. At that meeting Irish Transport and General Workers' Union (ITGWU) representative Sean Dowling proposed that the trade unions take over Town Hall and have meetings there, but the proposal was not voted on.[5] On Saturday 12 April the ITGWU workers in the Cleeve's factory in Lansdowne voted to go on strike. On Sunday 13 April, after a twelve-hour discussion and lobbying of the delegates by workers, a general strike was called by the city's United Trades and Labour Council. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Transport_and_General_Workers%27_Union# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Transport_and_General_Wo... The union was founded by James Larkin in January 1909 as a general union.[1][2] Initially drawing its membership from branches of the Liverpool-based National Union of Dock Labourers, from which Larkin had been expelled, it grew to include workers in a range of industries. The ITGWU logo was the Red Hand of Ulster, which is synonymous with ancient Gaelic Ulster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Larkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Larkin James Larkin (28 January 1874 – 30 January 1947), sometimes known as Jim Larkin, was an Irish republican, socialist and trade union leader. He was one of the founders of the Irish Labour Party along with James Connolly and William O'Brien, and later the founder of the Irish Worker League (a communist party which was recognised by the Comintern as the Irish section of the world communist movement), as well as the Irish Transport and General Workers' Union (ITGWU) and the Workers' Union of Ireland (the two unions later merged to become SIPTU, Ireland's largest trade union). Along with Connolly and Jack White, he was also a founder of the Irish Citizen Army (ICA; a paramilitary group which was integral to both the Dublin lock-out and the Easter Rising). Larkin was a leading figure in the Syndicalist movement.[3] So a strike instigated by a union founded by syndicalist who also founded revolutionary unions endorsed by the cominform, who was yet to pivot to the NEP and still advocating global union based insurrection to trigger socialist revolution. Doesn't mean the proto-SU planned this activity particularly, but claiming 'no connection' when people involved were part of global revolutionary activity directly connected to groups descending from the internationale and associated with the cominform is also just as tenuous if not moreso.
- rmchugh 5y ago
  You have no idea what you're talking about.
rurai 5y ago
Soviet, here, just means a "workers council" rather than the bureaucratic state the term is usually associated with

cat199 5y ago

according to 5 minutes of wikipedia research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet On Friday 11 April a meeting of the United Trades and Labour Council, to which Byrne had been a delegate, took place. At that meeting Irish Transport and General Workers' Union (ITGWU) representative Sean Dowling proposed that the trade unions take over Town Hall and have meetings there, but the proposal was not voted on.[5] On Saturday 12 April the ITGWU workers in the Cleeve's factory in Lansdowne voted to go on strike. On Sunday 13 April, after a twelve-hour discussion and lobbying of the delegates by workers, a general strike was called by the city's United Trades and Labour Council. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Transport_and_General_Workers%27_Union# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Transport_and_General_Wo... The union was founded by James Larkin in January 1909 as a general union.[1][2] Initially drawing its membership from branches of the Liverpool-based National Union of Dock Labourers, from which Larkin had been expelled, it grew to include workers in a range of industries. The ITGWU logo was the Red Hand of Ulster, which is synonymous with ancient Gaelic Ulster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Larkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Larkin James Larkin (28 January 1874 – 30 January 1947), sometimes known as Jim Larkin, was an Irish republican, socialist and trade union leader. He was one of the founders of the Irish Labour Party along with James Connolly and William O'Brien, and later the founder of the Irish Worker League (a communist party which was recognised by the Comintern as the Irish section of the world communist movement), as well as the Irish Transport and General Workers' Union (ITGWU) and the Workers' Union of Ireland (the two unions later merged to become SIPTU, Ireland's largest trade union). Along with Connolly and Jack White, he was also a founder of the Irish Citizen Army (ICA; a paramilitary group which was integral to both the Dublin lock-out and the Easter Rising). Larkin was a leading figure in the Syndicalist movement.[3] So a strike instigated by a union founded by syndicalist who also founded revolutionary unions endorsed by the cominform, who was yet to pivot to the NEP and still advocating global union based insurrection to trigger socialist revolution. Doesn't mean the proto-SU planned this activity particularly, but claiming 'no connection' when people involved were part of global revolutionary activity directly connected to groups descending from the internationale and associated with the cominform is also just as tenuous if not moreso.

rmchugh 5y ago
You have no idea what you're talking about.

rurai 5y ago

Soviet, here, just means a "workers council" rather than the bureaucratic state the term is usually associated with