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As a counterpoint, I remember when someone satirized RIIR on HN and the post was flagged into oblivion even though the comments section was mostly approving. h

As a counterpoint, I remember when someone satirized RIIR on HN and the post was flagged into oblivion even though the comments section was mostly approving. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25198571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25198571 Someone reposted the same document with Rust replaced with "$hotlang" which, for a reason you can guess, wasn't flagged at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25208313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25208313 My impression is that there are more than a few Rust developers who dearly believe in rewriting in Rust and were sincerely, bitterly offended by a joke to the contrary.

steveklabnik 5y ago
See, I see that as the opposite: it is easy to get offended by the joke precisely because it is not true. IMHO, the second version is better because, by removing the language at hand, it directs the joke at the idea of re-writing everything in the first place, rather than at some specific niche of people who may or may not even actually exist. I could/would also get into a debate about "satire" and what exactly it is and means, but I have complicated feelings about it, how words change over time, etc.
- hitekker 5y ago
  I think the seminal text on offense, jokes, and satires in the worship of programming languages is probably https://web.archive.org/web/20061110043911/https://fluff.info/blog/arch/00000127.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20061110043911/https://fluff.inf... I've found it be to pretty useful in determining why I'm much more sensitive to things I care about than the things I don't, and particularly when jokes carry an element of truth that I cannot bear to acknowledge
  - crazy_horse 5y ago
    I'd never seen this, but it's too good. Thanks.
geodel 5y ago
Agree with what you said. Another data point I noted how often popular Rust associated people hit Twitter whining about a disagreement they had on hacker news. I have almost never seen with other popular/mainstream programing languages. But for Rust it is regular thing.
- steveklabnik 5y ago
  Oh I’ve been doing that since before Rust existed. And I assure you, complaining about Hacker News goes beyond Rust folks. Heck, even pg has complained about Hacker News on Twitter.
ksec 5y ago
It is with people who support Rust ( enthusiast ), but not (most) Rust developers. And it isn't just Github, but literally everywhere from Twitter, Reddit, HN to many other social media. That is why you get the upvote / downvote, and where you get the question Why are you not writing / rewriting it with Rust? And it isn't just about Rust itself, all other programming languages topic will always end up having rust in the comments. They call this evangelist.

steveklabnik 5y ago

See, I see that as the opposite: it is easy to get offended by the joke precisely because it is not true. IMHO, the second version is better because, by removing the language at hand, it directs the joke at the idea of re-writing everything in the first place, rather than at some specific niche of people who may or may not even actually exist. I could/would also get into a debate about "satire" and what exactly it is and means, but I have complicated feelings about it, how words change over time, etc.

hitekker 5y ago
I think the seminal text on offense, jokes, and satires in the worship of programming languages is probably https://web.archive.org/web/20061110043911/https://fluff.info/blog/arch/00000127.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20061110043911/https://fluff.inf... I've found it be to pretty useful in determining why I'm much more sensitive to things I care about than the things I don't, and particularly when jokes carry an element of truth that I cannot bear to acknowledge
- crazy_horse 5y ago
  I'd never seen this, but it's too good. Thanks.

geodel 5y ago

Agree with what you said. Another data point I noted how often popular Rust associated people hit Twitter whining about a disagreement they had on hacker news. I have almost never seen with other popular/mainstream programing languages. But for Rust it is regular thing.

steveklabnik 5y ago
Oh I’ve been doing that since before Rust existed. And I assure you, complaining about Hacker News goes beyond Rust folks. Heck, even pg has complained about Hacker News on Twitter.

ksec 5y ago

It is with people who support Rust ( enthusiast ), but not (most) Rust developers. And it isn't just Github, but literally everywhere from Twitter, Reddit, HN to many other social media. That is why you get the upvote / downvote, and where you get the question Why are you not writing / rewriting it with Rust? And it isn't just about Rust itself, all other programming languages topic will always end up having rust in the comments. They call this evangelist.