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This looks neat as a laptop, but I worry how much I'd care to use a laptop that doesn't have S3 suspend - is this still the case for all Tiger Lake CPUs, or am

This looks neat as a laptop, but I worry how much I'd care to use a laptop that doesn't have S3 suspend - is this still the case for all Tiger Lake CPUs, or am I misunderstanding? Also, I guess I'm curious just how bad lacking S3 suspend is, are there workarounds? Does it end up working fine in Windows for "reasons"? It's my understanding that Linux drivers aren't yet able to work around the lack of S3, but again, I could be misinformed! edit: I assume this is not really available/details are off, but looking at the comparison page for the 15 inch laptops, it says they are recommended to be priced around $1500 and include discrete RTX 3070 graphics cards... I find that unlikely, but if it's true I'd definitely buy one :) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=198152,198135,198130 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.htm...

my123 5y ago
S0ix is the replacement, which allows for connected standby. (see https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2020/linux-s0ix-troubleshooting https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2020/linux-s0ix-troubleshooting) Connected standby has been the norm on mobile since ages, quite popular in laptops now and is making its way to desktops. The OEM cannot both provide S0ix and S3 suspend at the same time though. (togglable through UEFI firmware options on some systems, but that's getting rare)
- zozbot234 5y ago
  S0ix is a pretty clear regression compared to plain S3 suspend, it drains more power in pretty much any OS. People can try to make it work a bit better at the OS/kernel level, but it will never be as good.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    It's really not that bad. Saying this as someone with a ThinkPad Nano running Fedora 34. I really don't notice a difference.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    What makes you say that? My laptop can switch between S3 (for Linux) and S0ix (for Windows). I've measured power usage and it's almost identical.
MisterTea 5y ago
Why are you averse to turning off you computer? I understand saving state but I never let my workflow depend on program execution state. Power on, log in, do work, sip coffee, browse net, finish work, shutdown computer. I like to keep things simple.
- codezero 5y ago
  Frankly, I've become VERY accustomed to quickly closing my lid and expecting to open it later with about the same battery life and whatever I was working on sitting there waiting. Apple has set a standard that I think in the year 2021 is totally reasonable to expect from a laptop. The concept of power management isn't one, I, as an end user, think I should have to worry about any more.
  - birdman3131 5y ago
    With the speed of modern nvme drives I would much rather hibernate than sleep. The ability to know you can come back in a week to the same amount of battery is way better than saving a couple seconds off resuming from sleep.
    - codezero 5y ago
      Coming from the Apple side of things: I don't care what you call it, I just want to close my laptop, then open it and get on with working, and Apple seems to do this really well.
    - djrogers 5y ago
      > The ability to know you can come back in a week to the same amount of battery That's pretty much the modern MacBook experience. And I don't care if it suspends, hibernates or serruptitiously crawls over to a power outlet in the middle of the night to recharge, I as an end user should never need to think about such things. Close lid. Wait hours or days. Open Lid. Work. I like to keep things simple too.
- evilduck 5y ago
  I'm on a MBP where I pretty much only reboot for system and security updates and my workflow is the same as yours but two steps shorter. I basically never need to power on or power off. From my perspective it seems to me that you're adding steps and complexity. What does power cycling provide that I'm missing?

my123 5y ago

S0ix is the replacement, which allows for connected standby. (see https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2020/linux-s0ix-troubleshooting https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2020/linux-s0ix-troubleshooting) Connected standby has been the norm on mobile since ages, quite popular in laptops now and is making its way to desktops. The OEM cannot both provide S0ix and S3 suspend at the same time though. (togglable through UEFI firmware options on some systems, but that's getting rare)

zozbot234 5y ago
S0ix is a pretty clear regression compared to plain S3 suspend, it drains more power in pretty much any OS. People can try to make it work a bit better at the OS/kernel level, but it will never be as good.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  It's really not that bad. Saying this as someone with a ThinkPad Nano running Fedora 34. I really don't notice a difference.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  What makes you say that? My laptop can switch between S3 (for Linux) and S0ix (for Windows). I've measured power usage and it's almost identical.

MisterTea 5y ago

Why are you averse to turning off you computer? I understand saving state but I never let my workflow depend on program execution state. Power on, log in, do work, sip coffee, browse net, finish work, shutdown computer. I like to keep things simple.

codezero 5y ago
Frankly, I've become VERY accustomed to quickly closing my lid and expecting to open it later with about the same battery life and whatever I was working on sitting there waiting. Apple has set a standard that I think in the year 2021 is totally reasonable to expect from a laptop. The concept of power management isn't one, I, as an end user, think I should have to worry about any more.
- birdman3131 5y ago
  With the speed of modern nvme drives I would much rather hibernate than sleep. The ability to know you can come back in a week to the same amount of battery is way better than saving a couple seconds off resuming from sleep.
  - codezero 5y ago
    Coming from the Apple side of things: I don't care what you call it, I just want to close my laptop, then open it and get on with working, and Apple seems to do this really well.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    > The ability to know you can come back in a week to the same amount of battery That's pretty much the modern MacBook experience. And I don't care if it suspends, hibernates or serruptitiously crawls over to a power outlet in the middle of the night to recharge, I as an end user should never need to think about such things. Close lid. Wait hours or days. Open Lid. Work. I like to keep things simple too.
evilduck 5y ago
I'm on a MBP where I pretty much only reboot for system and security updates and my workflow is the same as yours but two steps shorter. I basically never need to power on or power off. From my perspective it seems to me that you're adding steps and complexity. What does power cycling provide that I'm missing?