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TSA Pre requires fingerprinting and a background check. You definitely give up some privacy in signing up for it. I mean you can unlock some computer devices wi

TSA Pre requires fingerprinting and a background check. You definitely give up some privacy in signing up for it. I mean you can unlock some computer devices with fingerprints.

jedberg 5y ago
The government already has my fingerprints, because I had to give them to get a passport (edit: I've been informed this was only because I also did Global Entry) and also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone and also when I got my driver's license. Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints.
- simonklitj 5y ago
  Definitely! Or if you’re a green card/visa holder.
  - extra88 5y ago
    If you need a U.S. Visa, fingerprints are required. U.S. citizens and people from Visa Waiver countries don't need to be fingerprinted. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-inf...
    - simonklitj 5y ago
      Oh, good to know! I thought so, my wife had hers taken when she got her passport. Maybe because it was at an embassy? Either way, thanks for the clarification.
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  I don’t remember having fingerprints done for my passport, though it was twenty years ago. Did that change?
- vowelless 5y ago
  Finger prints for passports is not a thing.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  > because I had to give them to get a passport As far as I know that isn't a requirement for a standard US Passport (maybe a Diplomatic/Government/Service passport?). Who even would take the fingerprints? I went to the USPS, and they just checked the form, stamped it a few times, and shipped it along with my supporting documents off. > also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone. That also isn't standard/normal.
- jackson1442 5y ago
  Didn’t have to fingerprint for a passport, but did for a Texas driver’s license with some hand wavy reason I don’t remember.
  - extra88 5y ago
    That was only true for a relatively short period of time. https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-no-longer-collecting-all-10-fingerprints-for-drivers-license/ https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-no-longer-collecting-all-10-...
    - nielsbot 5y ago
      Doesn't mean they didn't keep the records
    - nielsbot 5y ago
      The article you linked says they will collect a single finger print for a driver's license, they no longer collect all 10.
- js2 5y ago
  > Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints. False. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-app... My spouse and I renewed our passports in the last 10 years, and got our kids passports for the first time. We did not provide fingerprints. I am a U.S. citizen. I went through an SF86 clearance in the early 2000s and don't recall even that requiring my fingerprints (but I could be wrong about that). I only recall giving up my fingerprints twice: 1. To unlock my Apple devices, safely locked in a secure enclave. 2. For TSA Pre.
  - jmisavage 5y ago
    I distinctly remember getting fingerprinted for my clearance paperwork. And those that get TS/SCI have to get polygraph test every couple years.
  - tcoff91 5y ago
    You didn't have to give your fingerprints when you got a driver's license?
    - bregma 5y ago
      Where on earth would people accept such an encroachment on their privacy and right to unreasonable search and seizure just to obtain proof they have passed an examination? Soviet Russia? The DDR? Orwell's Oceania?
      - jedberg 5y ago
        It isn't just proof you passed an exam -- it's also your ID card. The fingerprints are part of your government ID. Here in California you have to give a thumbprint or fingerprint to get both a license and a state issued ID card. The license serves as both proof of passing and as an ID so you don't need two cards.
      - tcoff91 5y ago
        Here in California everyone who has a driver's license had to have a fingerprint/thumbprint taken.
- extra88 5y ago
  U.S. passports do not require getting fingerprinted. U.S. Visas require fingerprinting. I don't think fingerprinting kids is universal or even the norm. I haven't found anything that says it's required anywhere. I have found information about parents having their child's fingerprints in their own records and examples of programs emphasizing that only the family has the record, they're not kept by local government, let alone in a federal system. https://www.usa.gov/passport https://www.usa.gov/passport https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-inf... https://www.pcsdma.org/fingerprint.html https://www.pcsdma.org/fingerprint.html https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/july/idkits072406 https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/july/idk...
  - cammikebrown 5y ago
    I remember cops coming to my elementary school (this would have been around 1995) and fingerprinting everyone “for fun”.
    - RandallBrown 5y ago
      I had this happen too. We put our fingerprints onto an "ID" card we got to keep. As far as I remember the fingerprints didn't actually go anywhere else.
- adolph 5y ago
  > when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone Yes, they put it on your permanent record which any govt official can access using a simple zoom and enhance.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    You joke but the permanent record is a real thing. My wife taught elementary school for many years, and at the end of the year she had to update all the permanent records and then pass them on to the next teacher. The records moved with you from school to school. Some High Schools allow you to request your permanent record when you graduate, most just destroy them. But yes, a government official can get a copy with a warrant just like any other record.
deathanatos 5y ago
I had to give up my fingerprints to maintain a drivers license, but that doesn't get me TSA Pre.
- extra88 5y ago
  I'm having trouble finding any state where a standard drivers license currently requires being fingerprinted. Texas did it for a little while but stopped in 2015. Some specialty licenses require it, like a commercial license to carry hazardous materials.
  - pb7 5y ago
    "REAL ID" requires fingerprints, which will soon be required to fly.
    - extra88 5y ago
      "Soon" being May 3, 2023 at the moment. I've lost count how many times the requirement for Real ID to fly has been delayed. So far, searches haven't turned up authoritative information (on a current, relevant federal or state sites) on Real ID requiring any biometrics. I believe it, I just haven't found an official source confirming it.
    - comfydragon 5y ago
      I got a REAL ID several months ago and definitely didn't get fingerprinted in the process.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    California requires your thumbprint (or fingerprint if you have no thumbs) to get your license.
    - extra88 5y ago
      I've seen second-hand references to that but only find references to prints being taken for occupational licenses on authoritative sites, like this one: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/occupational-licensing/live-scan-fingerprinting/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/occu...
cardiffspaceman 5y ago
Global Entry also requires these things, and an interview, and you get TSA Precheck included.

TSA Pre requires fingerprinting and a background check. You definitely give up some privacy in signing up for it. I mean you can unlock some computer devices with fingerprints.

jedberg 5y ago

The government already has my fingerprints, because I had to give them to get a passport (edit: I've been informed this was only because I also did Global Entry) and also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone and also when I got my driver's license. Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints.

simonklitj 5y ago
Definitely! Or if you’re a green card/visa holder.
- extra88 5y ago
  If you need a U.S. Visa, fingerprints are required. U.S. citizens and people from Visa Waiver countries don't need to be fingerprinted. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-inf...
  - simonklitj 5y ago
    Oh, good to know! I thought so, my wife had hers taken when she got her passport. Maybe because it was at an embassy? Either way, thanks for the clarification.
mixmastamyk 5y ago
I don’t remember having fingerprints done for my passport, though it was twenty years ago. Did that change?
vowelless 5y ago
Finger prints for passports is not a thing.
Someone1234 5y ago
> because I had to give them to get a passport As far as I know that isn't a requirement for a standard US Passport (maybe a Diplomatic/Government/Service passport?). Who even would take the fingerprints? I went to the USPS, and they just checked the form, stamped it a few times, and shipped it along with my supporting documents off. > also when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone. That also isn't standard/normal.
jackson1442 5y ago
Didn’t have to fingerprint for a passport, but did for a Texas driver’s license with some hand wavy reason I don’t remember.
- extra88 5y ago
  That was only true for a relatively short period of time. https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-no-longer-collecting-all-10-fingerprints-for-drivers-license/ https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-no-longer-collecting-all-10-...
  - nielsbot 5y ago
    Doesn't mean they didn't keep the records
  - nielsbot 5y ago
    The article you linked says they will collect a single finger print for a driver's license, they no longer collect all 10.
js2 5y ago
> Pretty much if you're a US citizen they already have your fingerprints. False. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-app... My spouse and I renewed our passports in the last 10 years, and got our kids passports for the first time. We did not provide fingerprints. I am a U.S. citizen. I went through an SF86 clearance in the early 2000s and don't recall even that requiring my fingerprints (but I could be wrong about that). I only recall giving up my fingerprints twice: 1. To unlock my Apple devices, safely locked in a secure enclave. 2. For TSA Pre.
- jmisavage 5y ago
  I distinctly remember getting fingerprinted for my clearance paperwork. And those that get TS/SCI have to get polygraph test every couple years.
- tcoff91 5y ago
  You didn't have to give your fingerprints when you got a driver's license?
  - bregma 5y ago
    Where on earth would people accept such an encroachment on their privacy and right to unreasonable search and seizure just to obtain proof they have passed an examination? Soviet Russia? The DDR? Orwell's Oceania?
    - jedberg 5y ago
      It isn't just proof you passed an exam -- it's also your ID card. The fingerprints are part of your government ID. Here in California you have to give a thumbprint or fingerprint to get both a license and a state issued ID card. The license serves as both proof of passing and as an ID so you don't need two cards.
    - tcoff91 5y ago
      Here in California everyone who has a driver's license had to have a fingerprint/thumbprint taken.
extra88 5y ago
U.S. passports do not require getting fingerprinted. U.S. Visas require fingerprinting. I don't think fingerprinting kids is universal or even the norm. I haven't found anything that says it's required anywhere. I have found information about parents having their child's fingerprints in their own records and examples of programs emphasizing that only the family has the record, they're not kept by local government, let alone in a federal system. https://www.usa.gov/passport https://www.usa.gov/passport https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-inf... https://www.pcsdma.org/fingerprint.html https://www.pcsdma.org/fingerprint.html https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/july/idkits072406 https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/july/idk...
- cammikebrown 5y ago
  I remember cops coming to my elementary school (this would have been around 1995) and fingerprinting everyone “for fun”.
  - RandallBrown 5y ago
    I had this happen too. We put our fingerprints onto an "ID" card we got to keep. As far as I remember the fingerprints didn't actually go anywhere else.
adolph 5y ago
> when I was in elementary school they fingerprinted everyone Yes, they put it on your permanent record which any govt official can access using a simple zoom and enhance.
- jedberg 5y ago
  You joke but the permanent record is a real thing. My wife taught elementary school for many years, and at the end of the year she had to update all the permanent records and then pass them on to the next teacher. The records moved with you from school to school. Some High Schools allow you to request your permanent record when you graduate, most just destroy them. But yes, a government official can get a copy with a warrant just like any other record.

deathanatos 5y ago

I had to give up my fingerprints to maintain a drivers license, but that doesn't get me TSA Pre.

extra88 5y ago
I'm having trouble finding any state where a standard drivers license currently requires being fingerprinted. Texas did it for a little while but stopped in 2015. Some specialty licenses require it, like a commercial license to carry hazardous materials.
- pb7 5y ago
  "REAL ID" requires fingerprints, which will soon be required to fly.
  - extra88 5y ago
    "Soon" being May 3, 2023 at the moment. I've lost count how many times the requirement for Real ID to fly has been delayed. So far, searches haven't turned up authoritative information (on a current, relevant federal or state sites) on Real ID requiring any biometrics. I believe it, I just haven't found an official source confirming it.
  - comfydragon 5y ago
    I got a REAL ID several months ago and definitely didn't get fingerprinted in the process.
- jedberg 5y ago
  California requires your thumbprint (or fingerprint if you have no thumbs) to get your license.
  - extra88 5y ago
    I've seen second-hand references to that but only find references to prints being taken for occupational licenses on authoritative sites, like this one: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/occupational-licensing/live-scan-fingerprinting/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/occu...

cardiffspaceman 5y ago

Global Entry also requires these things, and an interview, and you get TSA Precheck included.