3 ms·

> The truth is, Docker had the chance to work closely with the Kubernetes team at Google in 2014 and potentially own the entire container ecosystem in the proce

> The truth is, Docker had the chance to work closely with the Kubernetes team at Google in 2014 and potentially own the entire container ecosystem in the process. “We could have had Kubernetes be a first-class Docker project under the Docker banner on GitHub. In hindsight that was a major blunder given Swarm was so late to market,” Stinemates said. > Craig McLuckie, Kubernetes cofounder and now vice president at VMware, says he offered to donate Kubernetes to Docker, but the two sides couldn’t come to an agreement. “There was a mutual element of hubris there, from them that we didn’t understand developer experience, but the reciprocal feeling was these young upstarts really don’t understand distributed systems management,” he told InfoWorld. The article criticizes Docker Swarm as myopic, but IMO, there were only two possibilities for Docker to move forward; either they acquired Kubernetes, which was a possibility in this telling of events, or they won with their own Docker Swarm.

heavenlyblue 5y ago
“Didn’t understand developer experience” I am wondering if anyone ever actually properly used docker swarm in any proper way? Especially as a small-scale developer.
- doctor_eval 5y ago
  Yeah we used it in production, I’m not there any more but as far as I know it’s still running. Swarm was good, easy to set up and run, but it had a lot of networking bugs. More than once we had to cycle the docker daemon on all machines which basically resulted in a rolling outage. We’re trialling nomad at our new co, I was put off by the opaqueness and complexity of K8s, but apparently that’s just me.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    It is definitely not just you.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
brown9-2 5y ago
a great piece of trivia related to this point is that the original k8s developers tried to convince Docker to adopt the pod concept: https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/8781 https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/8781

heavenlyblue 5y ago

“Didn’t understand developer experience” I am wondering if anyone ever actually properly used docker swarm in any proper way? Especially as a small-scale developer.

doctor_eval 5y ago
Yeah we used it in production, I’m not there any more but as far as I know it’s still running. Swarm was good, easy to set up and run, but it had a lot of networking bugs. More than once we had to cycle the docker daemon on all machines which basically resulted in a rolling outage. We’re trialling nomad at our new co, I was put off by the opaqueness and complexity of K8s, but apparently that’s just me.
- wpietri 5y ago
  It is definitely not just you.

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

brown9-2 5y ago

a great piece of trivia related to this point is that the original k8s developers tried to convince Docker to adopt the pod concept: https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/8781 https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/8781