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Agreed. The Easter Rising, and the cause of Irish nationalism generally, weren't anywhere near as linked to Catholicism as this article makes out. It's much mor
by dmurray 5y ago
Agreed. The Easter Rising, and the cause of Irish nationalism generally, weren't anywhere near as linked to Catholicism as this article makes out. It's much more correct to see it as a class struggle or a revolution against a colonial power, depending on your view (the ruling class were closely linked to Britain).
Prominent 1916-era nationalists like Childers and Markievicz were Protestants. Connolly was a hardcore socialist who would have embraced Marxist atheism. The Church didn't generally support the Rising, partly because it feared socialism. The Proclamation of the Irish Republic doesn't mention the Church, or even, remarkably for the era, God. Most importantly, perhaps, the Penal laws suppressing the practice of Catholicism were just a memory at that stage. Irish people were oppressed because they were Irish, not because they were Catholic.
I don't want to completely discount the link between Catholic and Irish identity - fostered by Pearse and then de Valera among others. But to emphasize it here smacks of an understanding of Ireland that comes mainly from late-20th-century international news and conflict in the North 'between Catholics and Protestants'.
Edit: I'm less familiar with the Russian revolutions, but my layman's understanding is that the class struggle was more important there too than imposing atheism. In Russia, the Church was part of the dominant power structure that had to be deposed: in Ireland it wasn't. It's not so hard then to align the movements.
- ZanyProgrammer 5y agoI think we need to decide if we're talking about a communist revolution resulting from the turmoil engendered by the Easter Rising/Irish War of Independence/Irish Civil War, or imagining the later 1920s Irish Free State succumbing to a communist revolution, since I was sort of assuming the latter in this thread.
- netcan 5y agoIt depends a lot on the era. A lot happened in 5, 10 years. 1916 was a far more edgy group than those who actually gained power and popularity later. Once Irish independence became the political issue, the country did divide along religious lines. Those didn't necessarily contradict cultural or class lines, but religious background was and is a very solid predictor of nationalist-unionist preferences IRL. De Valera, his support base & his politics was the powerhouse it was for a reason. Partition was catholic-protestant. Actual class politics and politics generally was absolutely catholic-protestant. The majority of the population was religious. Those things played a big part in the real politics of the following decades. They didn't matter as much in 1916, when the whole country wasn't involved yet.