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How is it possible to submit fraudulent research in bogus fields? Just like you can't build a stable home on quicksand it is not possible to do valid research i

How is it possible to submit fraudulent research in bogus fields? Just like you can't build a stable home on quicksand it is not possible to do valid research in fields based on false premise like the various 'grievance studies' fields. It would be the same for e.g. flat earth studies or astrology studies, to name a few more bogus fields.

bigbillheck 5y ago
The field isn't bogus just because you don't like it. I'm a mathematician by training, and if you're going to dismiss an entire field just because Boghossian managed to get some obviously-fake papers published, I'm afraid you'll have to dismiss mine as well due to, for example, things like this : https://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102 https://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102 (As an aside, I don't know if Eldredge sought IRB approval for this, but he absolutely should have and if he hadn't it's probably not too late for Northern Colorado to investigate).
- the_third_wave 5y ago
  Mathematics is not a bogus field, that does not mean it is not possible to submit bogus papers to mathematics journals nor does it suggest that it isn't possible to create bogus derivatives of mathematics - the recent rumblings around mathematics being related to 'whiteness', 'white or European supremacy' or 'racism' [1,2] and the related desire to create a 'new mathematics' based on 'indigenous ways of knowing' would create such a derivative [3]. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teaching-maths-white-privilege-illinois-university-professor-rochelle-gutierrez-a8018521.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teaching-m... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/modern-mathematics-confronts-its-white-patriarchal-past/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/modern-mathematic... [3] https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/there-is-no-such-thing-as-white-math https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/there-is-no-such-thing-as-w... (which argues against the creation of such an aberration)

bigbillheck 5y ago

The field isn't bogus just because you don't like it. I'm a mathematician by training, and if you're going to dismiss an entire field just because Boghossian managed to get some obviously-fake papers published, I'm afraid you'll have to dismiss mine as well due to, for example, things like this : https://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102 https://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102 (As an aside, I don't know if Eldredge sought IRB approval for this, but he absolutely should have and if he hadn't it's probably not too late for Northern Colorado to investigate).

the_third_wave 5y ago
Mathematics is not a bogus field, that does not mean it is not possible to submit bogus papers to mathematics journals nor does it suggest that it isn't possible to create bogus derivatives of mathematics - the recent rumblings around mathematics being related to 'whiteness', 'white or European supremacy' or 'racism' [1,2] and the related desire to create a 'new mathematics' based on 'indigenous ways of knowing' would create such a derivative [3]. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teaching-maths-white-privilege-illinois-university-professor-rochelle-gutierrez-a8018521.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teaching-m... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/modern-mathematics-confronts-its-white-patriarchal-past/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/modern-mathematic... [3] https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/there-is-no-such-thing-as-white-math https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/there-is-no-such-thing-as-w... (which argues against the creation of such an aberration)