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>The target is to save lives. If the threat is still there, we need to keep the safety measures. Ok your argument just fell apart. Do we not always have the "n

>The target is to save lives. If the threat is still there, we need to keep the safety measures. Ok your argument just fell apart. Do we not always have the "need" to save lives? The "threat" is never going away. That's ambigous and completely subjective. What is is not is an objective measure of any sort. Which means it continues indefinitely until our leaders decide otherwise. The fact you cannot give me a set time when it will end, or what status we need to meet for all of the safety measures to end is pretty telling. >I don't know how you don't see that. Because you have no data or facts to back up your claim. You can't even explain it yourself.

ubermonkey 5y ago
You are being Fox-news-level combative about your hobbyhorse here. Others have explained why you are way off base. What would you have us do? Dispense with masks and vaccines and just let the chips fall where they may? That's madness. COVID is a threat. It's best to work to counteract that threat using the best tools we have available, which are pretty simple: masks, distance, and vaccination. >The fact you cannot give me a set time when it will end, or what status we need to meet for all of the safety measures to end is pretty telling. It kinda feels like you're demanding to talk to the manager of coronavirus here.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Give me the numbers and the objective measurement of what we need to meet for this to happen. Why is this hard for you? >What would you have us do? Dispense with masks and vaccines and just let the chips fall where they may? That's madness. COVID is a threat. >You are being Fox-news-level combative about your hobbyhorse here. While you're at it stop with the strawman and ad-hominem attacks. What it looks like is you have nothing to support the idea that this will stop once we meet a certain "threshold". All I'm asking is what the threshold is. Are you really sure I'm the combative one in this situation?
  - ubermonkey 5y ago
    >Are you really sure I'm the combative one in this situation? Very much so. That much was clear from your first comment, when you equated the knee-jerk acceptance of insane and ineffective security theater post-9/11 with the entirely rational measures we've taken in the face of a novel pandemic for which there is no existent immunity. Your tirades here demanding someone tell you the threshold at which point we can dispense with masks and distancing are ridiculously off base. As long as ICUs are packed, and as long as regular care is rationed because of antivaxxers flooding hospitals with COVID or Ivermectin ODs, we'll have to keep doing what we're doing to keep ourselves and those we love safe(r).
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      You're straw-manning again and still not giving me an objective threshold. Do you enjoy repeating yourself and making no headway?

ubermonkey 5y ago

You are being Fox-news-level combative about your hobbyhorse here. Others have explained why you are way off base. What would you have us do? Dispense with masks and vaccines and just let the chips fall where they may? That's madness. COVID is a threat. It's best to work to counteract that threat using the best tools we have available, which are pretty simple: masks, distance, and vaccination. >The fact you cannot give me a set time when it will end, or what status we need to meet for all of the safety measures to end is pretty telling. It kinda feels like you're demanding to talk to the manager of coronavirus here.

CountDrewku 5y ago
Give me the numbers and the objective measurement of what we need to meet for this to happen. Why is this hard for you? >What would you have us do? Dispense with masks and vaccines and just let the chips fall where they may? That's madness. COVID is a threat. >You are being Fox-news-level combative about your hobbyhorse here. While you're at it stop with the strawman and ad-hominem attacks. What it looks like is you have nothing to support the idea that this will stop once we meet a certain "threshold". All I'm asking is what the threshold is. Are you really sure I'm the combative one in this situation?
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  >Are you really sure I'm the combative one in this situation? Very much so. That much was clear from your first comment, when you equated the knee-jerk acceptance of insane and ineffective security theater post-9/11 with the entirely rational measures we've taken in the face of a novel pandemic for which there is no existent immunity. Your tirades here demanding someone tell you the threshold at which point we can dispense with masks and distancing are ridiculously off base. As long as ICUs are packed, and as long as regular care is rationed because of antivaxxers flooding hospitals with COVID or Ivermectin ODs, we'll have to keep doing what we're doing to keep ourselves and those we love safe(r).
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    You're straw-manning again and still not giving me an objective threshold. Do you enjoy repeating yourself and making no headway?