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That security isn’t necessarily to stop terrorism. It’s also to stop people from bringing in weapons and then using them in drunken brawls.

duxup 5y ago
>using them in drunken brawls. That's not a thing at games I've been to. Lots of drunken folks, but fights are exceptionally rare.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
That is amazing reasoning. Assuming drunken brawls were a problem, instead of banning alcohol, the solution was the current TSA protocol.
- spoonjim 5y ago
  Alcohol makes money, outside weapons don’t. If they could get away with selling you knives in the stadium they probably would.
- Grazester 5y ago
  Too much money in alcohol to ban it. Due to the behaviour of people on planes now, some airline have temporarily stopped serving it but passengers could still get it at a bar at the airport or buy a bottle of alcohol at a duty free store and drink themselves stupid before boarding the plane. I dont think they can easily ban that. edit:// OP clarified this was meant for sports games.
spamizbad 5y ago
Most airline passengers would trade dry flights for pre-9/11 security screenings.
- spoonjim 5y ago
  I’m talking about college football games.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  Instantly. Where do I sign?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-... https://www.tsa.gov/precheck https://www.tsa.gov/precheck https://www.clearme.com/ https://www.clearme.com/
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      I have global entry & precheck (ironically, global entry is often slower than just using their app when you arrive). It's nice, for sure, but it's not pre-9/11 security. It's close, I guess, for just the traveller. But I miss the days when family could come to the gate. Maybe airports are too busy for that anyway, now, but I can dream.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        > But I miss the days when family could come to the gate. Maybe airports are too busy for that anyway, now, but I can dream. I kinda miss it too, and it's a bit of a shock seeing it happen in old movies now, but I already struggle to find seating at the gate. Even if the security concerns went away entirely in a magical world, I'd bet this restriction would stay.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Most airline passengers can already trade $85 every five years for pre-9/11 security screenings. They simply choose not to.
  - spamizbad 5y ago
    it gets expensive and annoying if you're traveling with your family.
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      Most of the time (100% for me so far) you just have to have pre-check for whomever is buying the tickets. As long as they're all on the same reservation ID, the pre-check will get applied to the entire group. That's how I got my first taste of pre-check, when my sister-in-law bought tickets for our entire family. I ended up buying it for myself, and now my wife & kids get the stamp as well when we're traveling together.
      - jaywalk 5y ago
        They'll tell you it's not guaranteed (and it's technically not even guaranteed that you'll get PreCheck even if you've got PreCheck yourself) but I've also had a 100% success rate with buying tickets and having PreCheck applied to all of them.
      - spamizbad 5y ago
        Oh nice. I did not know that!
irrational 5y ago
But, that wasn’t even a problem pre-2001. Do you not remember what things were like pre 9/11?
- sureglymop 5y ago
  I think what he's mentioning has nothing to do with 9/11 though, right? He's talking about football hooligans. I only know that there are such scenes in soccer here in Europe and it can get pretty rough when they clash.
- lexapro 5y ago
  Not wearing a seat belt was also not a problem pre-1984.
  - irrational 5y ago
    Tell me about it. I got to lay on top of the families suitcases in the back of the station wagon on road trips. It’s so much easier to sleep like that.
    - lexapro 5y ago
      Yes, until you die in an accident that you could have survived with a seat belt.
      - irrational 5y ago
        Which is exactly why my everyone in my car wears their seat belts. But that doesn't change the fact that it was easier to sleep when laying down in the back of the station wagon.

duxup 5y ago

>using them in drunken brawls. That's not a thing at games I've been to. Lots of drunken folks, but fights are exceptionally rare.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

That is amazing reasoning. Assuming drunken brawls were a problem, instead of banning alcohol, the solution was the current TSA protocol.

spoonjim 5y ago
Alcohol makes money, outside weapons don’t. If they could get away with selling you knives in the stadium they probably would.
Grazester 5y ago
Too much money in alcohol to ban it. Due to the behaviour of people on planes now, some airline have temporarily stopped serving it but passengers could still get it at a bar at the airport or buy a bottle of alcohol at a duty free store and drink themselves stupid before boarding the plane. I dont think they can easily ban that. edit:// OP clarified this was meant for sports games.

spamizbad 5y ago

Most airline passengers would trade dry flights for pre-9/11 security screenings.

spoonjim 5y ago
I’m talking about college football games.
rootusrootus 5y ago
Instantly. Where do I sign?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-... https://www.tsa.gov/precheck https://www.tsa.gov/precheck https://www.clearme.com/ https://www.clearme.com/
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    I have global entry & precheck (ironically, global entry is often slower than just using their app when you arrive). It's nice, for sure, but it's not pre-9/11 security. It's close, I guess, for just the traveller. But I miss the days when family could come to the gate. Maybe airports are too busy for that anyway, now, but I can dream.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > But I miss the days when family could come to the gate. Maybe airports are too busy for that anyway, now, but I can dream. I kinda miss it too, and it's a bit of a shock seeing it happen in old movies now, but I already struggle to find seating at the gate. Even if the security concerns went away entirely in a magical world, I'd bet this restriction would stay.
jaywalk 5y ago
Most airline passengers can already trade $85 every five years for pre-9/11 security screenings. They simply choose not to.
- spamizbad 5y ago
  it gets expensive and annoying if you're traveling with your family.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    Most of the time (100% for me so far) you just have to have pre-check for whomever is buying the tickets. As long as they're all on the same reservation ID, the pre-check will get applied to the entire group. That's how I got my first taste of pre-check, when my sister-in-law bought tickets for our entire family. I ended up buying it for myself, and now my wife & kids get the stamp as well when we're traveling together.
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      They'll tell you it's not guaranteed (and it's technically not even guaranteed that you'll get PreCheck even if you've got PreCheck yourself) but I've also had a 100% success rate with buying tickets and having PreCheck applied to all of them.
    - spamizbad 5y ago
      Oh nice. I did not know that!

irrational 5y ago

But, that wasn’t even a problem pre-2001. Do you not remember what things were like pre 9/11?

sureglymop 5y ago
I think what he's mentioning has nothing to do with 9/11 though, right? He's talking about football hooligans. I only know that there are such scenes in soccer here in Europe and it can get pretty rough when they clash.
lexapro 5y ago
Not wearing a seat belt was also not a problem pre-1984.
- irrational 5y ago
  Tell me about it. I got to lay on top of the families suitcases in the back of the station wagon on road trips. It’s so much easier to sleep like that.
  - lexapro 5y ago
    Yes, until you die in an accident that you could have survived with a seat belt.
    - irrational 5y ago
      Which is exactly why my everyone in my car wears their seat belts. But that doesn't change the fact that it was easier to sleep when laying down in the back of the station wagon.