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It wasn't related to the Shoe Bomber plot, there was planning around something larger scale. To be honest I don't feel comfortable even linking to this stuff b

It wasn't related to the Shoe Bomber plot, there was planning around something larger scale. To be honest I don't feel comfortable even linking to this stuff but it's Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

h2odragon 5y ago
> I don't feel comfortable even linking to this stuff Why not? "eww this is propaganda" or "talking about terrorist makes me one?"
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  Not everyone is comfortable talking about attempted murder. (Not everyone is comfortable around dogs, either.)
- EMM_386 5y ago
  > Why not? "eww this is propaganda" or "talking about terrorist makes me one?"' The actual answer is that the page, due to it's dynamic nature, at times consisted of specific details that were probably not relevant to the overall subject. It's not unreasonable in this day and age to be concerned about what you are linking to. In this case it's Wikipedia, so, "sue me".
  - jsight 5y ago
    It is also possible to link to a specific version: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bojinka_plot&oldid=1037366750 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bojinka_plot&oldi...
  - h2odragon 5y ago
    thank you for the response, i was actually asking for information; apologies if the tone sounded sarcastic. This detail seems relevant: > Yousef smuggled the nitroglycerin on board by putting it inside a small container, reputedly containing contact lens cleaning solution. if that's the basis of "no liquids on planes" rules then its horseshit. make people shake the bottle at the security checkin. Almost all the security theater relies on things being to scary for people to think about. Nitroglycerin when liquid is not yer friend. Ricin was never the boogeyman the media made it out to be. And on and on for years now.
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- strogonoff 5y ago
  The glimpse into the extent of mental corruption necessary to self-motivate oneself to spend so much time and effort, accumulate and apply expertise, all in the name of killing thousands of innocent people do make it difficult to read; even more so considering that the discovery of the plan did not help prevent its later evolution from causing the 9/11—that said, the article is enlightening and I cannot remember reading about this plot before (I guess it is too unsavoury even for unscrupulous mass media to dig up). Addendum: as much as it pains me to admit, if I were some official feeling responsible for the lives of air travellers in %country% and having a say in the policy, after studying the details of this plot I can imagine myself going “yup, I guess we are banning all liquid then”.
scelerat 5y ago
TIL that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, believed to be the planner of the 9/11 attacks as well as the failed Bojinka plot linked above, had his trial for numerous charges (including 9/11) restarted just yesterday. https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trial-of-accused-911-mastermind-restarts-days-before-20th-anniversary https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trial-of-ac...

h2odragon 5y ago

> I don't feel comfortable even linking to this stuff Why not? "eww this is propaganda" or "talking about terrorist makes me one?"

wizzwizz4 5y ago
Not everyone is comfortable talking about attempted murder. (Not everyone is comfortable around dogs, either.)
EMM_386 5y ago
> Why not? "eww this is propaganda" or "talking about terrorist makes me one?"' The actual answer is that the page, due to it's dynamic nature, at times consisted of specific details that were probably not relevant to the overall subject. It's not unreasonable in this day and age to be concerned about what you are linking to. In this case it's Wikipedia, so, "sue me".
- jsight 5y ago
  It is also possible to link to a specific version: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bojinka_plot&oldid=1037366750 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bojinka_plot&oldi...
- h2odragon 5y ago
  thank you for the response, i was actually asking for information; apologies if the tone sounded sarcastic. This detail seems relevant: > Yousef smuggled the nitroglycerin on board by putting it inside a small container, reputedly containing contact lens cleaning solution. if that's the basis of "no liquids on planes" rules then its horseshit. make people shake the bottle at the security checkin. Almost all the security theater relies on things being to scary for people to think about. Nitroglycerin when liquid is not yer friend. Ricin was never the boogeyman the media made it out to be. And on and on for years now.
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strogonoff 5y ago
The glimpse into the extent of mental corruption necessary to self-motivate oneself to spend so much time and effort, accumulate and apply expertise, all in the name of killing thousands of innocent people do make it difficult to read; even more so considering that the discovery of the plan did not help prevent its later evolution from causing the 9/11—that said, the article is enlightening and I cannot remember reading about this plot before (I guess it is too unsavoury even for unscrupulous mass media to dig up). Addendum: as much as it pains me to admit, if I were some official feeling responsible for the lives of air travellers in %country% and having a say in the policy, after studying the details of this plot I can imagine myself going “yup, I guess we are banning all liquid then”.

scelerat 5y ago

TIL that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, believed to be the planner of the 9/11 attacks as well as the failed Bojinka plot linked above, had his trial for numerous charges (including 9/11) restarted just yesterday. https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trial-of-accused-911-mastermind-restarts-days-before-20th-anniversary https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trial-of-ac...