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It's the kind of thing where you have to try it for yourself. No javascript == best user experience possible. * instant load times * stable performance * no

by bogwog 5y ago

It's the kind of thing where you have to try it for yourself. No javascript == best user experience possible. * instant load times * stable performance * no tracking, and sometimes even no ads * no stupid animations that break scrolling, ask you to sign up for newsletters, etc * no hijacked back button, or disabled highlighting/copy/paste, or pop ups/unders Unless you're trying to play games, or use some complicated web application like an IDE, javascript offers absolutely nothing of value to you. It only exists to benefit the owner of the website. For 99.999% of web browsing use-cases, HTML/CSS is all that's needed. The only situation I can think of where javascript has the potential to offer an improved user experience is with infinite scrolling. That's personal preference though, so if it's something you value, I could understand wanting to enable javascript. (also, I just checked and noticed that Twitter refuses to work if you disable js. Fuck you, Twitter.)

dewey 5y ago
> No javascript == best user experience possible And yet in every thread there's at least one person complaining about the posted link not working with JS disabled.
- bogwog 5y ago
  Of course, since that means the page requires javascript, and is thus providing an inferior user experience. Who wouldn't complain about that?
  - tiborsaas 5y ago
    Your comment reminds me of this good old meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/016/674/802.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/016/674/802... Sure, if you disable JS you'll have a worse experience, but it's your fault, not the site creators'.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
turbocon 5y ago
You can still track without javascript. One way is using invisible img tags. It can be less effective though.
onychomys 5y ago
> For 99.999% of web browsing use-cases, HTML/CSS is all that's needed. Many people use the web to buy things. Button presses, logins, pizza tracking monitors, they all use JS.
- witheld 5y ago
  None of those require JS at all, except the pizza monitor.
  - onychomys 5y ago
    How can you send information to your backend server without JS?
    - jansommer 5y ago
      Back in the days (I'm 33 and thus quite old in web years) we would use forms
    - jzebedee 5y ago
      This is like a technical invocation of Poe's law.
    - stevage 5y ago
      Submit buttons or links. Then the whole page reloads. There might be tricks using CSS and images too.
stevage 5y ago
Full time freelance web dev here. Literally every site I make requires JavaScript to run. No one has ever complained about this. It would be much harder to make them work without JavaScript.

by bogwog 5y ago

dewey 5y ago

> No javascript == best user experience possible And yet in every thread there's at least one person complaining about the posted link not working with JS disabled.

bogwog 5y ago
Of course, since that means the page requires javascript, and is thus providing an inferior user experience. Who wouldn't complain about that?
- tiborsaas 5y ago
  Your comment reminds me of this good old meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/016/674/802.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/016/674/802... Sure, if you disable JS you'll have a worse experience, but it's your fault, not the site creators'.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

turbocon 5y ago

You can still track without javascript. One way is using invisible img tags. It can be less effective though.

onychomys 5y ago

> For 99.999% of web browsing use-cases, HTML/CSS is all that's needed. Many people use the web to buy things. Button presses, logins, pizza tracking monitors, they all use JS.

witheld 5y ago
None of those require JS at all, except the pizza monitor.
- onychomys 5y ago
  How can you send information to your backend server without JS?
  - jansommer 5y ago
    Back in the days (I'm 33 and thus quite old in web years) we would use forms
  - jzebedee 5y ago
    This is like a technical invocation of Poe's law.
  - stevage 5y ago
    Submit buttons or links. Then the whole page reloads. There might be tricks using CSS and images too.

stevage 5y ago

Full time freelance web dev here. Literally every site I make requires JavaScript to run. No one has ever complained about this. It would be much harder to make them work without JavaScript.