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Jay Springett describes this as the “poisonous pill” one most swallow when engaging with Solarpunk: “It means that there's the decentralization of technology, t
by jessaustin 5y ago
Jay Springett describes this as the “poisonous pill” one most swallow when engaging with Solarpunk: “It means that there's the decentralization of technology, the decentralization of power.”
Frankly that sounds excellent to me. I don't really trust the royalties at the tops of the various old-fashioned hierarchies to which we are subject to have my family's and community's best interests in mind. We're entirely capable of planting gardens and operating life-supporting equipment by ourselves.
- WJW 5y agoPlanting gardens is fine, but operating life-supporting equipment? I for one have no idea how to do dentistry for example, let alone complicated heart surgery or semiconductor manufacturing. (or solar panel manufacturing for that matter) I don't particularly trust entrenched interests either, but they still seem better than the alternative. Imagine if the hospital electrical and oxygen grids were made and operated by the electric equivalent of script kiddies who are proud it hasn't fallen over in over 3 days now! Not to mention citywide sewage installations and whatnot.
- danaris 5y agoThis seems like it's misunderstanding the proposals. No one's suggesting that we democratize medical care by expecting everyone to do their own dentistry, or abandon the idea that the people who should do X are the people who are good at/well-trained at X. They're suggesting that we don't need to be beholden to centralized hierarchies for everything—like, for instance, electrical power.
- jessaustin 5y agoYes, that's right. Perhaps I could have chosen a more specific phrase, but I wanted to emphasize that we don't owe our lives to the CEOs.
- KozmoNau7 5y agoThe point is to be against unjust hierarchies, such as royalty, nepotism and the like. Anarchists and solarpunks alike abhor unjust hierarchies, instead they trust in experts and those with knowledge, not those who "fail upwards".
- dbsmith83 5y ago> Anarchists and solarpunks alike abhor unjust hierarchies Pretty sure everyone dislikes 'unjust' hierarchies. The difference is what people think is just or unjust
- etrautmann 5y agoI'm not sure that's true? Certainly some of those who are hated at the top are aware of their own manipulative cynicism? Do we really think the media moguls in charge of created biased news sources believe they're acting in anything other than self interest?
- dbsmith83 5y agoYou give them too much credit. People will come up with their own justifications for what they do, and thus believe they are doing what is just
- platz 5y ago> biased news sources But it's what the people appear to want. How are you to tell them that they are wrong? What is the difference between 'Bias' and editorial/opinion?
- asoneth 5y agoI don't think it's about "just" or "unjust" centralization, since (nearly) everyone is opposed to "unjust" centralization and in favor of "just" centralization. And I do not interpret "decentralization" as a abolition of hierarchies or a complete decentralization to the lowest individual level in all cases. I interpret it as a bias towards making decisions, allocating resources, and wielding power at the lowest level where something can be effectively managed. With respect to the US political system someone who prefers decentralization might favor abolishing agencies or laws at the federal level in cases where the states can handle those responsibilities themselves. (And similarly avoiding state-level regulation of anything that can be effectively managed at the municipal level.)
- platz 5y agoIs solarpunk just Socialism (or even feudalism) that is environmentally-conscious?