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UK Covid deaths 133,000 vs Australia Covid deaths 1054. That's some cold-blooded calculus to say that Australia would have been better off with another 50,000

UK Covid deaths 133,000 vs Australia Covid deaths 1054. That's some cold-blooded calculus to say that Australia would have been better off with another 50,000 people dead rather than having some restrictions in place while they wait for vaccination targets to be reached.

krona 5y ago
Given the UK quarantine period was reduced by the chief medical officers "After reviewing the evidence" to 10 days from 14 by the start of 2021, it probably didn't make a difference.
calsy 5y ago
How many will die from the economic fallout and how who will pay for this insane government debt accumulated over the last 2 years. The kids, thats who, the kids who don't get a vaccine and get the privilege of paying the bill for us to sit at home. What happens to a country that stops people working and starts living on the government credit card? It's all great now when everything is paid in debt. What happens to health, education and infrastructure? What happens to peoples wellbeing and prosperity in the future? Australia's health care system was already at breaking point pre covid. Education was already at breaking point pre covid. They bullshit us that the numbers are fine, and being the fools we are we believe them even though it makes no logical sense. How will people work and pay tax when there are no jobs? How many will die you think? Covid is not the only thing that can kill you. Poverty has killed infinitely more.
jjgreen 5y ago
"Those who would give up ..." oh forget it, old-fashioned ideas
- Nursie 5y ago
  Not sure how temporary the safety gained by those tens of thousands is, nor how essential the liberty to enter a country without two weeks of quarantine is. In fact, having just a few minutes ago come out of two weeks confined to a hotel room, into a place where there is effectively no coronavirus, I’d say not very essential at all.
erikbye 5y ago
Rights are worth many deaths. It has always been. Stopping Hitler was worth millions of deaths, in exchange we still have rights. Before covid, family visited elderly in nursing homes, knowing full well there is a small chance they could pass the flu on to them and kill them. I know my grandfather appreciated my visits, even though he knew there was a small risk of contracting something like the flu. A life where you control for every possible risk is not one worth living. We accept risk for rights and convenience all the time. E.g. operating vehicles.
nanis 5y ago
> UK Covid deaths 133,000 vs Australia Covid deaths 1054. Looking at all cause mortality and just eyeballing, it looks like in most cases Covid19 is reducing some lives by a few times while the fact that no one lives forever stubbornly persists. Australia: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release#australian-deaths-by-week-30-december-2019-to-30-may-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provis... UK: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1000372/Weekly_report_mortality__W27.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

krona 5y ago

Given the UK quarantine period was reduced by the chief medical officers "After reviewing the evidence" to 10 days from 14 by the start of 2021, it probably didn't make a difference.

calsy 5y ago

How many will die from the economic fallout and how who will pay for this insane government debt accumulated over the last 2 years. The kids, thats who, the kids who don't get a vaccine and get the privilege of paying the bill for us to sit at home. What happens to a country that stops people working and starts living on the government credit card? It's all great now when everything is paid in debt. What happens to health, education and infrastructure? What happens to peoples wellbeing and prosperity in the future? Australia's health care system was already at breaking point pre covid. Education was already at breaking point pre covid. They bullshit us that the numbers are fine, and being the fools we are we believe them even though it makes no logical sense. How will people work and pay tax when there are no jobs? How many will die you think? Covid is not the only thing that can kill you. Poverty has killed infinitely more.

jjgreen 5y ago

"Those who would give up ..." oh forget it, old-fashioned ideas

Nursie 5y ago
Not sure how temporary the safety gained by those tens of thousands is, nor how essential the liberty to enter a country without two weeks of quarantine is. In fact, having just a few minutes ago come out of two weeks confined to a hotel room, into a place where there is effectively no coronavirus, I’d say not very essential at all.

erikbye 5y ago

Rights are worth many deaths. It has always been. Stopping Hitler was worth millions of deaths, in exchange we still have rights. Before covid, family visited elderly in nursing homes, knowing full well there is a small chance they could pass the flu on to them and kill them. I know my grandfather appreciated my visits, even though he knew there was a small risk of contracting something like the flu. A life where you control for every possible risk is not one worth living. We accept risk for rights and convenience all the time. E.g. operating vehicles.

nanis 5y ago

> UK Covid deaths 133,000 vs Australia Covid deaths 1054. Looking at all cause mortality and just eyeballing, it looks like in most cases Covid19 is reducing some lives by a few times while the fact that no one lives forever stubbornly persists. Australia: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release#australian-deaths-by-week-30-december-2019-to-30-may-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provis... UK: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1000372/Weekly_report_mortality__W27.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...