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A reminder for us all that Switzerland is not an heaven protecting the oppressed. Capitalism always win.

by mthld 5y ago

robbedpeter 5y ago
It's only capitalism if the players are following the same rules. China cheats by abusing human rights, ecological treaties, stealing IP, and is unaccountable to any authority in any meaningful way. It's like playing poker with a really shitty Teller at the table, with a whipped and abused Penn standing to the side, handing him aces every game. It's getting old. China is not playing on the level. They should be shut out from civilized society until our unless they change their culture. It is abundantly clear that they will continue to act in bad faith, knowing that there are no consequences for lying, cheating, and stealing. Where is the "first they came for the Uyghurs" outrage? Where is the relentless criticism of child labor, abuses of women's rights, or anti nuclear proliferation crowd? They just straight up jacked ARM technology for themselves. The West can conduct business in good faith because we have a set of shared values and expectations of cooperation. We play by the same rules, and can trust each other to the extent that laws and treaties protect us. China's presence in the global markets completely undermines that trust and the underpinnings of cooperation. They are above any law and wield that fact like a club. The experiment has failed, its time to shut them out completely. Stop enabling.
- mthld 5y ago
  You are completely true about China, and the bipartisan cooperation Switzerland is working on must cease. But alas, it’s not the trend. The Swiss government is even inviting China police investigators to come over and lead their investigations on China nationals directly on Swiss land. The whole situation is a shame, economics are indeed the reason behind all this.
  - skummetmaelk 5y ago
    Do you have a source on that? I'd like to know more about it.
    - medbrane 5y ago
      https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/china-to-renew-secret-deal-with-switzerland-over-nationals https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/china-to-renew...
dgellow 5y ago
What does that have to do with Switzerland? Credit Suisse is an international organization. When HSBC or Deutsche Bank are doing bad stuff that has little to do with the country where they have been originally established in.
the_optimist 5y ago
How does capitalism (private ownership of assets) win with this? Your statement presumes government influence over all private assets. That is not a capitalist construct, quite at odds with it in freedom-loving societies. Instead of staying, 'government influence always wins' (which is both what you're implying and what is being observed here), you've replaced 'government influence' with the word capitalism. Nonsense where words have meaning.

A reminder for us all that Switzerland is not an heaven protecting the oppressed. Capitalism always win.

by mthld 5y ago

A reminder for us all that Switzerland is not an heaven protecting the oppressed. Capitalism always win.

It's only capitalism if the players are following the same rules. China cheats by abusing human rights, ecological treaties, stealing IP, and is unaccountable to any authority in any meaningful way. It's like playing poker with a really shitty Teller at the table, with a whipped and abused Penn standing to the side, handing him aces every game. It's getting old. China is not playing on the level. They should be shut out from civilized society until our unless they change their culture. It is abundantly clear that they will continue to act in bad faith, knowing that there are no consequences for lying, cheating, and stealing. Where is the "first they came for the Uyghurs" outrage? Where is the relentless criticism of child labor, abuses of women's rights, or anti nuclear proliferation crowd? They just straight up jacked ARM technology for themselves. The West can conduct business in good faith because we have a set of shared values and expectations of cooperation. We play by the same rules, and can trust each other to the extent that laws and treaties protect us. China's presence in the global markets completely undermines that trust and the underpinnings of cooperation. They are above any law and wield that fact like a club. The experiment has failed, its time to shut them out completely. Stop enabling.

mthld 5y ago
You are completely true about China, and the bipartisan cooperation Switzerland is working on must cease. But alas, it’s not the trend. The Swiss government is even inviting China police investigators to come over and lead their investigations on China nationals directly on Swiss land. The whole situation is a shame, economics are indeed the reason behind all this.
- skummetmaelk 5y ago
  Do you have a source on that? I'd like to know more about it.
  - medbrane 5y ago
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/china-to-renew-secret-deal-with-switzerland-over-nationals https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/11/china-to-renew...

dgellow 5y ago

What does that have to do with Switzerland? Credit Suisse is an international organization. When HSBC or Deutsche Bank are doing bad stuff that has little to do with the country where they have been originally established in.

the_optimist 5y ago

How does capitalism (private ownership of assets) win with this? Your statement presumes government influence over all private assets. That is not a capitalist construct, quite at odds with it in freedom-loving societies. Instead of staying, 'government influence always wins' (which is both what you're implying and what is being observed here), you've replaced 'government influence' with the word capitalism. Nonsense where words have meaning.