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> We should optimise for productivity + life outside of work instead Says who? If you want to work 40 hours a week, have your weekends off, and relax more, tha

> We should optimise for productivity + life outside of work instead Says who? If you want to work 40 hours a week, have your weekends off, and relax more, that's great. You are optimizing for more time off than me as you value it more than I do; cool. However, if I want to work more than 40 hours a week and my total output ends up being higher than yours then I should absolutely be rewarded by my company for it. All things being equal, I should promote faster; I should get better raises; etc. You are optimizing for one thing, I am optimizing for another, and that should be fine.

em-bee 5y ago
as an employer i value a healthy and balanced work ethic and a frienly and cooperative work environment. personally i don't mind if you prefer to work more hours, but i'll be watching your performance. if it doesn't scale with the number of hours you put in then you'll have to cut down. also if i get any complaints from anyone else in the team. i can't have your performance demoralizing everyone else, because in the end it is the performance of the whole team that matters. i also won't be giving you extra opportunities for promotion or raises, because that would be unfair to others who can't work as much as you. again, doing so would be demoralizing for everyone else. case in point, there is a company where anyone working more than 20 hours a week got reduced pay for those extra hours.
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- OminousWeapons 5y ago
  That's totally valid and as an employer you are obviously entitled to set your work culture and select for the types of employees you want working for you. It sounds like I would be a poor fit for your org.
- notjulianjaynes 5y ago
  >there is a company where anyone working more than 20 hours a week got reduced pay for those extra hours. what company and in what country? that's a compelling idea, provided the pay is decent enough that one would only need to work 20hrs a week.
  - em-bee 5y ago
    gumroad they were featured on hackernews early this year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686678

em-bee 5y ago

as an employer i value a healthy and balanced work ethic and a frienly and cooperative work environment. personally i don't mind if you prefer to work more hours, but i'll be watching your performance. if it doesn't scale with the number of hours you put in then you'll have to cut down. also if i get any complaints from anyone else in the team. i can't have your performance demoralizing everyone else, because in the end it is the performance of the whole team that matters. i also won't be giving you extra opportunities for promotion or raises, because that would be unfair to others who can't work as much as you. again, doing so would be demoralizing for everyone else. case in point, there is a company where anyone working more than 20 hours a week got reduced pay for those extra hours.

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OminousWeapons 5y ago
That's totally valid and as an employer you are obviously entitled to set your work culture and select for the types of employees you want working for you. It sounds like I would be a poor fit for your org.
notjulianjaynes 5y ago
>there is a company where anyone working more than 20 hours a week got reduced pay for those extra hours. what company and in what country? that's a compelling idea, provided the pay is decent enough that one would only need to work 20hrs a week.
- em-bee 5y ago
  gumroad they were featured on hackernews early this year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686678