I think Bill Atkinson is more deserving of that comparison than Andy, and Andy Hertzfeld has been one of my heroes since I was a teenager. Hertzfeld is a brilli

I think Bill Atkinson is more deserving of that comparison than Andy, and Andy Hertzfeld has been one of my heroes since I was a teenager. Hertzfeld is a brilliant engineer, but he had less to do with UI/X issues. Atkinson came up with the menubar, drag-and-drop, and a host of other GUI fundamentals that are seen as self-evident nowadays. Definitely agree about the culture, though. The Mac group loved what they were doing, but that was not a healthy or sustainable way of working.