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I'm glad the fetishization of longer hours to reach arbitrary deadlines is no longer as popular as it once was and beginning to receive pushback.

by iaw 5y ago

daemonhunter 5y ago
Milestones are treated as property lines.
jmspring 5y ago
I don't know about the last couple of years, but listen to some startup pitches for hiring events (like on YC used to host) and phrases like "work hard, play hard", "we are a family", etc. creep in and basically push the same thing. I often refer to one startup I was at as the worst experience (the manager was horrible - including griping at me for being off grid for my then wife's bday weekend), but most interesting (the technology was all over the map and there was a feeling of "how the hell is this actually working"). Never again.
- p2t2p 5y ago
  > we are a family That is one is the most annoying.
  - neaden 5y ago
    A family that will kick you out if it makes them more money.
    - mmcdermott 5y ago
      A Ferengi family, then?
  - marricks 5y ago
    It's actually true if you interpret it as an abusive family. Boundaries aren't respected, always put company's interest above yours, if there's a culture problem (say harassment) it's actually the victim's problem, etc.
  - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
    relevant bit from Tolstoy "...every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way"
  - raffraffraff 5y ago
    Oh god I forgot how much that bullshit irritated me... One team (your job is whatever we say it is) You are an owner (we gave you fuck-all stock and lied that we're all gonna be millionaires when this IPOs) Radical candour (prepare to be dressed down publicly, because all the best leaders do that: Besos, Jobs, Trump) It's even better when they get the first letter from each of these little snippets of company philosophy and turn them into a word that then gets printed on swag baseball caps and t-shirts, and is roared by the cocaine fuelled CEO at the end of every weekly allhands.
sien 5y ago
It still goes on. The book 'One Device' about the iPhone has interviews with the original team who built it. They discuss how a number of them had marriages broken and whatnot from the pressure to build the iPhone. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32603496-the-one-device https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32603496-the-one-device
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  Having a husband/wife who phones you up and says, "get home now, it's late" is a great thing. It might feel annoying at the time because you're "so close to getting this done!", but its a bad habit, and in those situations the work is rarely ever done. Quarter to quarter there's always gonna be a deadline. My wife always expected a high standard from me, ie: "I didn't marry an empty chair", and she was 100% correct.
nicbou 5y ago
There's still a fetishization of the hustle culture, but it seems a lot less popular than it used to be. Perhaps it's just because I'm getting older, and my friends are in more mature careers now.

I'm glad the fetishization of longer hours to reach arbitrary deadlines is no longer as popular as it once was and beginning to receive pushback.

by iaw 5y ago

I'm glad the fetishization of longer hours to reach arbitrary deadlines is no longer as popular as it once was and beginning to receive pushback.

daemonhunter 5y ago

Milestones are treated as property lines.

jmspring 5y ago

I don't know about the last couple of years, but listen to some startup pitches for hiring events (like on YC used to host) and phrases like "work hard, play hard", "we are a family", etc. creep in and basically push the same thing. I often refer to one startup I was at as the worst experience (the manager was horrible - including griping at me for being off grid for my then wife's bday weekend), but most interesting (the technology was all over the map and there was a feeling of "how the hell is this actually working"). Never again.

p2t2p 5y ago
> we are a family That is one is the most annoying.
- neaden 5y ago
  A family that will kick you out if it makes them more money.
  - mmcdermott 5y ago
    A Ferengi family, then?
- marricks 5y ago
  It's actually true if you interpret it as an abusive family. Boundaries aren't respected, always put company's interest above yours, if there's a culture problem (say harassment) it's actually the victim's problem, etc.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  relevant bit from Tolstoy "...every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way"
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  Oh god I forgot how much that bullshit irritated me... One team (your job is whatever we say it is) You are an owner (we gave you fuck-all stock and lied that we're all gonna be millionaires when this IPOs) Radical candour (prepare to be dressed down publicly, because all the best leaders do that: Besos, Jobs, Trump) It's even better when they get the first letter from each of these little snippets of company philosophy and turn them into a word that then gets printed on swag baseball caps and t-shirts, and is roared by the cocaine fuelled CEO at the end of every weekly allhands.

sien 5y ago

It still goes on. The book 'One Device' about the iPhone has interviews with the original team who built it. They discuss how a number of them had marriages broken and whatnot from the pressure to build the iPhone. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32603496-the-one-device https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32603496-the-one-device

raffraffraff 5y ago
Having a husband/wife who phones you up and says, "get home now, it's late" is a great thing. It might feel annoying at the time because you're "so close to getting this done!", but its a bad habit, and in those situations the work is rarely ever done. Quarter to quarter there's always gonna be a deadline. My wife always expected a high standard from me, ie: "I didn't marry an empty chair", and she was 100% correct.

nicbou 5y ago

There's still a fetishization of the hustle culture, but it seems a lot less popular than it used to be. Perhaps it's just because I'm getting older, and my friends are in more mature careers now.