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I will begrudgingly use windows 11 at some point because of the games you can play on it. But for anything else I'm so glad Linux and its ecosystem exists, and

I will begrudgingly use windows 11 at some point because of the games you can play on it. But for anything else I'm so glad Linux and its ecosystem exists, and is only getting more stable lately. Windows gives me heartburn.

heyitsguay 5y ago
If you're playing games through Steam and haven't checked out Proton in a while, give it another try! The only game I haven't been able to get work on Ubuntu 16/18/20 is Fallout 3.
- dankwizard 5y ago
  Don't feel bad - Fallout 3 (atleast from Steam) no longer works on Windows 10 either! Installed it the other day, googled after it failed to launch, and saw there's a few community efforts and hacks you can try to get it up and running. I gave up.
- azalemeth 5y ago
  I completed Fallout 3 a few months ago on Ubuntu 20 under Proton (and Fallout: New Vegas). Try using Lutris's implementation of wine ± proton -- my GOG copy "just worked", much to my surprise. Including the mods, and mod managers! If you continue to have trouble, drop me an email and I'll give you my configuration. I very much second your sentiment about proton being "good enough". It's amazing! I have a less than stellar GPU -- a Radeon 570 -- and haven't found a single game that I can't play on 'ultra' settings at 1080p, including the in-development BG3. After Apple's CSAM awfulness, my next laptop will be linux, ideally with a Zen processor, quite possibly running Manjaro and either KDE or i3.
  - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
    There's only one ThinkPad with Ryzen that comes preloaded with Linux last I checked, but I'm hoping more come out soon since I really like ThinkPads. Either way, ThinkPads are worth a look since they play well with Linux, whether they come with Linux preloaded or not. I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch laptop that will play well with Linux [not necessarily preloaded], let me know.
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      The moves towards getting Ubuntu onto an M1 appear to be moving along quite nicely if you are patient and Apple hardware is of interest.
      - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
        Not interested. I'm not patient, and I don't want a laptop with just USB-C ports since I find it extremely limiting. Plus, x86 and mainstream aarch64 hardware feels like it will always be ahead since it isn't a reverse engineered effort.
    - smallerfish 5y ago
      You've checked out system76's offerings? They're not 4k, but otherwise they seem nice.
      - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
        Don't like their rebadged Clevo hardware (I know they put a lot more effort than that, and I appreciate it, but the look is not for me). Other than that, IIRC they just came out with a Ryzen laptop and it's too big for my taste.
      - azalemeth 5y ago
        They don't offer any choice in keyboard layout -- and I don't use en-us. Would love to support them, but until that changes...
- flutterwascrap 5y ago
  I would like to but the performance is a dealbreaker. If I'm on windows, I can expect to run latest titles at 60 fps on my 4 year old rig. That isn't possible on wine/proton.
  - swiley 5y ago
    Provided some garbage from either Microsoft or your hardware vendor isn’t sucking up all the I/O or CPU which has consistently been my experience the last few times I’ve suffered Windows.
    - flutterwascrap 5y ago
      This has never happened to me.
- INTPenis 5y ago
  Yes I am aware. Even before Proton I was one of those geeks with one Radeon for a Windows VM and one cheap GPU for the host system. But it's just too much hassle. I'd rather just boot up my big Windows gaming rig. I view it as a modular Xbox that I build myself. So no matter how far we come in Linux, most people will still have a "Wintendo" PC console for gaming.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
What games specifically? Because I've been doing 100% of my gaming on Linux lately and it works quite nice.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  Something like half of the top 10 games on Steam can't even start due to anti cheat and Steam is what's pushing gaming on Linux. To be fair to them if they weren't that number would be a lot worse, many of their own games are in that list. Of the ones that can they generally work alright but a few have intermittent crashes or things you have to workaround. If you play older/smaller single player games though it generally does the job pretty darn well.
- gryn 5y ago
  Almost any online game will not work because of anticheat software designed specifically for windows. I personally just decided to give up on the online games instead.
  - fulafel 5y ago
    Xbox, Geforce Now and Stadia streaming etc are another option.

heyitsguay 5y ago

If you're playing games through Steam and haven't checked out Proton in a while, give it another try! The only game I haven't been able to get work on Ubuntu 16/18/20 is Fallout 3.

dankwizard 5y ago
Don't feel bad - Fallout 3 (atleast from Steam) no longer works on Windows 10 either! Installed it the other day, googled after it failed to launch, and saw there's a few community efforts and hacks you can try to get it up and running. I gave up.
azalemeth 5y ago
I completed Fallout 3 a few months ago on Ubuntu 20 under Proton (and Fallout: New Vegas). Try using Lutris's implementation of wine ± proton -- my GOG copy "just worked", much to my surprise. Including the mods, and mod managers! If you continue to have trouble, drop me an email and I'll give you my configuration. I very much second your sentiment about proton being "good enough". It's amazing! I have a less than stellar GPU -- a Radeon 570 -- and haven't found a single game that I can't play on 'ultra' settings at 1080p, including the in-development BG3. After Apple's CSAM awfulness, my next laptop will be linux, ideally with a Zen processor, quite possibly running Manjaro and either KDE or i3.
- kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
  There's only one ThinkPad with Ryzen that comes preloaded with Linux last I checked, but I'm hoping more come out soon since I really like ThinkPads. Either way, ThinkPads are worth a look since they play well with Linux, whether they come with Linux preloaded or not. I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch laptop that will play well with Linux [not necessarily preloaded], let me know.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    The moves towards getting Ubuntu onto an M1 appear to be moving along quite nicely if you are patient and Apple hardware is of interest.
    - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
      Not interested. I'm not patient, and I don't want a laptop with just USB-C ports since I find it extremely limiting. Plus, x86 and mainstream aarch64 hardware feels like it will always be ahead since it isn't a reverse engineered effort.
  - smallerfish 5y ago
    You've checked out system76's offerings? They're not 4k, but otherwise they seem nice.
    - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
      Don't like their rebadged Clevo hardware (I know they put a lot more effort than that, and I appreciate it, but the look is not for me). Other than that, IIRC they just came out with a Ryzen laptop and it's too big for my taste.
    - azalemeth 5y ago
      They don't offer any choice in keyboard layout -- and I don't use en-us. Would love to support them, but until that changes...
flutterwascrap 5y ago
I would like to but the performance is a dealbreaker. If I'm on windows, I can expect to run latest titles at 60 fps on my 4 year old rig. That isn't possible on wine/proton.
- swiley 5y ago
  Provided some garbage from either Microsoft or your hardware vendor isn’t sucking up all the I/O or CPU which has consistently been my experience the last few times I’ve suffered Windows.
  - flutterwascrap 5y ago
    This has never happened to me.
INTPenis 5y ago
Yes I am aware. Even before Proton I was one of those geeks with one Radeon for a Windows VM and one cheap GPU for the host system. But it's just too much hassle. I'd rather just boot up my big Windows gaming rig. I view it as a modular Xbox that I build myself. So no matter how far we come in Linux, most people will still have a "Wintendo" PC console for gaming.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

What games specifically? Because I've been doing 100% of my gaming on Linux lately and it works quite nice.

zamadatix 5y ago
Something like half of the top 10 games on Steam can't even start due to anti cheat and Steam is what's pushing gaming on Linux. To be fair to them if they weren't that number would be a lot worse, many of their own games are in that list. Of the ones that can they generally work alright but a few have intermittent crashes or things you have to workaround. If you play older/smaller single player games though it generally does the job pretty darn well.
gryn 5y ago
Almost any online game will not work because of anticheat software designed specifically for windows. I personally just decided to give up on the online games instead.
- fulafel 5y ago
  Xbox, Geforce Now and Stadia streaming etc are another option.