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Yeah but come on there is kind of a complete lack of personal responsibility here as well
by rdtwo 5y ago
Yeah but come on there is kind of a complete lack of personal responsibility here as well
- klyrs 5y agoShould we give up on kids whose parents fail to live up to our ideals?
- topspin 5y agoIs that a choice 'we' have?
- klyrs 5y agoIt is. We can decide that bad kids are bad and throw them in jail at exorbitant cost to the taxpayer, or we can invest more resources into the kids at most risk upfront, to improve their chance of becoming productive members of society.
- lax4ever 5y agoWe can certainly invest in kids, but there has to be an expectation that they put in the effort as well and the idea that just because they put in the effort does not mean they will be as successful as another doing something similar. We have to instill the idea that they have a general responsibility to themselves, their family, and their community. We used to have a semblance of this but over the last 80+ this really seems to have gone out the window.
- klyrs 5y agoWhat was happening 80 years ago? World War 2? Do you think PTSD might have played a role?
- lax4ever 5y agoI don't know if we can nail it down to any one factor. I think that there were many small factors that have slowly torn away at the values of personal responsibility, accountability, and others.
- klyrs 5y agoThe context of the 1940s that I see was a Great Depression following the first World War -- was this "personal responsibility" a result of extreme austerity? I think so. But then, for WWII, we saw men conscripted into the polar opposite of "personal responsibility" -- soldiers followed orders; their sole responsibility was up the chain of command. But when they got home, there were high-paying low-skill jobs available, and blue-collar families could afford to have 5 kids, and a house big enough to keep them, on a single worker's income. Today, it's hard to find that kind of income without extensive skill and experience -- especially when we're factoring in housing costs. Folks in the 1940s didn't need to be nearly so "responsible" as they do today, just to make it with a single kid.
- topspin 5y agoThis appears to be a false dichotomy. Why can't we have both the exorbitant criminal justice costs and also the "invest more resources" part?
- klyrs 5y agoIt's not a false dichotomy; I didn't say that those are the only two options, and I did say "to improve their chance..." and not "to guarantee their success."
- kodyo 5y agoWho is “we” and what are you signing us up for?
- klyrs 5y agoI think I signed myself up for more conversation by posting that. Don't think I signed anybody else up for anything, though?