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You're probably getting downvoted for this attitude: > The fact the Texas legislature came up with that completely ridiculous scheme is not that surprising. P

by kodah 5y ago

You're probably getting downvoted for this attitude: > The fact the Texas legislature came up with that completely ridiculous scheme is not that surprising. People on this site tend to downvote if you talk based on perceived state attitudes. The same thing happens if you make blanket statements about California, it's citizens, or electorate.

hnaccy 5y ago
It's not a blanket statement about a state but the legislature which is much smaller group of people.
- kodah 5y ago
  Unfortunately it's a small jump to thinking, "somebody elected these people" and then projecting those sentiments widely. Anyway, that's what I've learned about talking about Texas and California broadly. I've lived in both states and have both negative and positive things to say about each, but when I criticize them I've figured out I have to be very concise about describing with who and what I find wrong in order to have my opinion heard and respected.
crazy_horse 5y ago
No downvote here but it's that. We're used to people talking about a place that doesn't exist usually so we're touchy about it. But the law is crazy, unconstitutional and would start a tit-for-tat form of legislating that would completely delegitimize whatever legitimacy the government has left. Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job. Not sure Cali's professionalization of politics is better, but something has to give.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job. IIRC, biennial sessions used to be extremely common.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands. Why would you think that? It's not true. https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-experiences-with-annual-and-biennial-budgeti.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-experience... > One reason for the change was the resurgence of state legislative power in the middle of the 20th century. Legislatures’ growing role in state government can be measured by the shift from biennial to annual legislative sessions. In 1940 only four state legislatures held annual sessions—and Alabama's legislature met only once every four years. In 2011, only four states still have biennial sessions—Montana, Nevada, North Dakota and Texas. Two changes came recently: Arkansas with its first annual session in 2009, and Oregon with its first in 2011. In 1940, 34 states had populations of 1 million+ and only one state had a population of less than 100k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_historical_population#1870%E2%80%931950,_census_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

by kodah 5y ago

hnaccy 5y ago

It's not a blanket statement about a state but the legislature which is much smaller group of people.

kodah 5y ago
Unfortunately it's a small jump to thinking, "somebody elected these people" and then projecting those sentiments widely. Anyway, that's what I've learned about talking about Texas and California broadly. I've lived in both states and have both negative and positive things to say about each, but when I criticize them I've figured out I have to be very concise about describing with who and what I find wrong in order to have my opinion heard and respected.

crazy_horse 5y ago

No downvote here but it's that. We're used to people talking about a place that doesn't exist usually so we're touchy about it. But the law is crazy, unconstitutional and would start a tit-for-tat form of legislating that would completely delegitimize whatever legitimacy the government has left. Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job. Not sure Cali's professionalization of politics is better, but something has to give.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Note, the legislature is weird. It meets every other year, is basically a second job. IIRC, biennial sessions used to be extremely common.
- jandrese 5y ago
  Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Back when state population was measured in the tens of thousands. Why would you think that? It's not true. https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-experiences-with-annual-and-biennial-budgeti.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-experience... > One reason for the change was the resurgence of state legislative power in the middle of the 20th century. Legislatures’ growing role in state government can be measured by the shift from biennial to annual legislative sessions. In 1940 only four state legislatures held annual sessions—and Alabama's legislature met only once every four years. In 2011, only four states still have biennial sessions—Montana, Nevada, North Dakota and Texas. Two changes came recently: Arkansas with its first annual session in 2009, and Oregon with its first in 2011. In 1940, 34 states had populations of 1 million+ and only one state had a population of less than 100k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_historical_population#1870%E2%80%931950,_census_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...