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I read this as a user, whom has received and decrypted an e2ee message, can report it. This will send it, e2ee, to WhatsApp HQ. no breakage here. E2ee is no pan

I read this as a user, whom has received and decrypted an e2ee message, can report it. This will send it, e2ee, to WhatsApp HQ. no breakage here. E2ee is no panacea.

blitzar 5y ago
Exactly. Your e2e message is encrypted from your end to the recipents end. They then decrypt the message and forward it to someone else. Nothing new here. I really dont get what the expectation of these things are for people. Are they not aware, someone can forward a message to a thrid party, people can and do screenshot text and forward it. Writing a message, and sending it encrypted to someone else doesnt protect you from what they might do with the message they now have.
ziml77 5y ago
Boggles my mind that people see this as Facebook reading their encrypted messages. The person you sent the message to chose to forward the message to Facebook and are even told that this is happening when they report the message. You can't stop someone who knows what a message says from sharing the contents of that message without physically restraining and gagging them. They can send a screenshot out, take a photo of the screen, write down the message on paper, or just memorize it and tell others.
- dancemethis 5y ago
  Boggles mine that people believe proprietary platforms blindly. It can't be proved that there's no backdoor added after the initial consulting for OpenWhisper. Gee, seeing how they defended Whatsapp tooth and nail time and time again, I'm inclined to not be surprised if it was added _during_.
  - ziml77 5y ago
    Whether or not they're siphoning information some other way is not the point here. The accusations here are directed at how reporting content sends the decrypted messages to Facebook. The ridiculousness is that people are treating that reporting functionality as a secret data leakage channel. If you think that they have backdoor access to messages, please investigate that, submit your findings as a different HN post, and then we can discuss it.

I read this as a user, whom has received and decrypted an e2ee message, can report it. This will send it, e2ee, to WhatsApp HQ. no breakage here. E2ee is no panacea.

blitzar 5y ago

Exactly. Your e2e message is encrypted from your end to the recipents end. They then decrypt the message and forward it to someone else. Nothing new here. I really dont get what the expectation of these things are for people. Are they not aware, someone can forward a message to a thrid party, people can and do screenshot text and forward it. Writing a message, and sending it encrypted to someone else doesnt protect you from what they might do with the message they now have.

ziml77 5y ago

Boggles my mind that people see this as Facebook reading their encrypted messages. The person you sent the message to chose to forward the message to Facebook and are even told that this is happening when they report the message. You can't stop someone who knows what a message says from sharing the contents of that message without physically restraining and gagging them. They can send a screenshot out, take a photo of the screen, write down the message on paper, or just memorize it and tell others.

dancemethis 5y ago
Boggles mine that people believe proprietary platforms blindly. It can't be proved that there's no backdoor added after the initial consulting for OpenWhisper. Gee, seeing how they defended Whatsapp tooth and nail time and time again, I'm inclined to not be surprised if it was added _during_.
- ziml77 5y ago
  Whether or not they're siphoning information some other way is not the point here. The accusations here are directed at how reporting content sends the decrypted messages to Facebook. The ridiculousness is that people are treating that reporting functionality as a secret data leakage channel. If you think that they have backdoor access to messages, please investigate that, submit your findings as a different HN post, and then we can discuss it.