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> Netflix isn't a tech company anymore They're still solving some interesting problems like how to watch the same content, in sync, with your friends. Interes

> Netflix isn't a tech company anymore They're still solving some interesting problems like how to watch the same content, in sync, with your friends. Interestingly my gf and I noticed that when we watched NFLX together using a video call to see eachother's faces/commentary our video would skew by noticeable amounts across the span of a movie. (eg even a 0.5% speed difference would give a 3 second skew in 10 minutes, which is enough for one to see someone's reaction to a surprising part of the video differ from your own. So there are still technical fringes to solve that can value differentiate from late adopters like the channel specific providers like say the ABC app https://abc.com/apps https://abc.com/apps

cletus 5y ago
Co-watching is an interesting space. One I've worked in actually. And yes, I agree it's not "solved". Amazon has taken a stab at this with a watch party on Twitch. I imagine you could have a private stream and do it that way maybe? Not ideal of course. It's intended for a different use case. The best options I've seen involve using sites of questionable legality plus Discord. Your observations of skew are kind of interesting and larger than I would've expected. But I guess this is the video players being built to show you the content not showing you the content at the same time as someone else. Specifically this means no effort is made to "catch up" in case of buffering. You or your GF must have a lot of buffering. This alone surprises me because Netflix's core delivery tech seems to be extremely good. But again, their delivery tech probably isn't built to solve this problem. Anyway, while that's an unsolved problem it's not core to Netflix's business and that's the key criteria here.
- maerF0x0 5y ago
  On different hardware how do they synchronize the playback speed? Each device has very different processing environment, so I cant imagine it would be easy to ensure that exact of playback speed. eg maybe one is playing 30 frames per second, and the other is playing 29.85 ...
  - snovv_crash 5y ago
    Double or drop the occasional frame I guess? Audio is easier to stretch because it is stored as frequency components already.
    - ComputerGuru 5y ago
      Audio is easier to stretch but audio should also never be stretched because we are extremely perceptive to it in a way that we aren’t with our visual processing abilities. Video should always be kept in sync with audio and not the other way around. You can freely drop or repeat video frames (within the boundaries of reason) without anyone being able to detect it in a blind test, but audio should not be messed with. This is why when syncing audio and video from different sources during production, the master clock is always the audio.
      - snovv_crash 5y ago
        Video conferencing already does massive audio compression (>2x speedup) to compensate for temporarily dropped connections. 30.5s of audio delivered over 30s isn't noticeable if you keep the frequencies the same, which is more than adequate for multiple people watching a movie together.
NordSteve 5y ago
Target and Walmart are still solving some interesting problems around online ordering and fulfillment. Are they tech companies now?
- ozim 5y ago
  I see that is going on with "Metro cash & carry" - while they don't cater to simple consumers but small businesses they start to provide tech services to those small businesses not only supplies. I can imagine part of Target/Walmart business to be like Amazon so they sell their tech to smaller or local players because they would have loads of knowledge in that specific area of ordering and fulfillment. It is not counter argument as such - but idea that they could become Amazon competitors in some areas and be tech companies.
- kenhwang 5y ago
  I'd say AWS is what gives Amazon the "tech" credentials, not Amazon.com which Target and Walmart are working on becoming.
Nullabillity 5y ago
Syncplay already solved co-watching ages ago, the only remaining issue is streaming platforms like Netflix holding the content hostage.
charwalker 5y ago
Plex has offered a watch together solution which seems to work really well for my users. I'm not sure if that is a unique bit of code Netflix put together or one of many decent solutions. I'd guess they need theirs to be the fastest and most efficient though.
jabroni_salad 5y ago
Is one of you on NTSC and the other PAL? One of them is slightly faster.
- maerF0x0 5y ago
  Great thought, but no. Seems more likely that one is Vizio and one is Samsung.

cletus 5y ago

Co-watching is an interesting space. One I've worked in actually. And yes, I agree it's not "solved". Amazon has taken a stab at this with a watch party on Twitch. I imagine you could have a private stream and do it that way maybe? Not ideal of course. It's intended for a different use case. The best options I've seen involve using sites of questionable legality plus Discord. Your observations of skew are kind of interesting and larger than I would've expected. But I guess this is the video players being built to show you the content not showing you the content at the same time as someone else. Specifically this means no effort is made to "catch up" in case of buffering. You or your GF must have a lot of buffering. This alone surprises me because Netflix's core delivery tech seems to be extremely good. But again, their delivery tech probably isn't built to solve this problem. Anyway, while that's an unsolved problem it's not core to Netflix's business and that's the key criteria here.

maerF0x0 5y ago
On different hardware how do they synchronize the playback speed? Each device has very different processing environment, so I cant imagine it would be easy to ensure that exact of playback speed. eg maybe one is playing 30 frames per second, and the other is playing 29.85 ...
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  Double or drop the occasional frame I guess? Audio is easier to stretch because it is stored as frequency components already.
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    Audio is easier to stretch but audio should also never be stretched because we are extremely perceptive to it in a way that we aren’t with our visual processing abilities. Video should always be kept in sync with audio and not the other way around. You can freely drop or repeat video frames (within the boundaries of reason) without anyone being able to detect it in a blind test, but audio should not be messed with. This is why when syncing audio and video from different sources during production, the master clock is always the audio.
    - snovv_crash 5y ago
      Video conferencing already does massive audio compression (>2x speedup) to compensate for temporarily dropped connections. 30.5s of audio delivered over 30s isn't noticeable if you keep the frequencies the same, which is more than adequate for multiple people watching a movie together.

NordSteve 5y ago

Target and Walmart are still solving some interesting problems around online ordering and fulfillment. Are they tech companies now?

ozim 5y ago
I see that is going on with "Metro cash & carry" - while they don't cater to simple consumers but small businesses they start to provide tech services to those small businesses not only supplies. I can imagine part of Target/Walmart business to be like Amazon so they sell their tech to smaller or local players because they would have loads of knowledge in that specific area of ordering and fulfillment. It is not counter argument as such - but idea that they could become Amazon competitors in some areas and be tech companies.
kenhwang 5y ago
I'd say AWS is what gives Amazon the "tech" credentials, not Amazon.com which Target and Walmart are working on becoming.

Nullabillity 5y ago

Syncplay already solved co-watching ages ago, the only remaining issue is streaming platforms like Netflix holding the content hostage.

charwalker 5y ago

Plex has offered a watch together solution which seems to work really well for my users. I'm not sure if that is a unique bit of code Netflix put together or one of many decent solutions. I'd guess they need theirs to be the fastest and most efficient though.

jabroni_salad 5y ago

Is one of you on NTSC and the other PAL? One of them is slightly faster.

maerF0x0 5y ago
Great thought, but no. Seems more likely that one is Vizio and one is Samsung.