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I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, h

I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, hence a crutch.

amanaplanacanal 5y ago
In your mind, does this only apply to cannabis, or any mental-health related medication?
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  There are people who need to use prescribed medications to help regulate their mental health (usually in addition to psychotherapy), however I don't include cannabis in that realm. Cannabis (THC) has properties that (in some, not all and sometimes the reverse) reduce anxiety however, from what I've seen and experienced, cannabis is by in large used to self-medicate instead of seek real treatment.
  - nwienert 5y ago
    We all need relief. You have your television, others have a substance that makes them more relaxed, introspective, creative, and appreciative of art and life. Life is tough, it’s not hard to understand that a substance that has the above effects with less side effects than most popular drugs could be enjoyed responsibly.
nwienert 5y ago
Only a person who doesn’t drink caffeine, alcohol, or any other drug (including aspirin and other non psychoactives) can approach making this claim. Hell, you could say the same thing to someone who enjoys a small dessert every night. Or a bath. So long as they’d feel sad to not have it, they are then avoiding a problem, right? Or… humans just really enjoy having diverse things to do, and all find different balances of what those things are. And THC suits very well to certain brain physiologies much like a bubble bath does for others.
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  I'm not going to go into the nuances of prolonged THC exposure and how it affects brain chemistry, especially under the guise of self-medication but you're not acting in good faith of our discussion by comparing THC to taking a bath.
  - nwienert 5y ago
    I could link to a handful of very positive studies for THC, and a handful of negative. Here's a fun recent one showing that THC has potential mTOR1 activation and CNS myelination effects. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32956517/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32956517/ I could similarly link to about 10 pretty scary studies for caffeine, especially effect on brain structure and sleep quality. Or should we do sugar? The dose makes the poison for anything, it's not clear THC isn't beneficial at a lower dose. It's medically prescribed for cancer pain relief, and for a segment of people its anxiolytic effects are incredible.
  - hirvi74 5y ago
    > I'm not going to go into the nuances of prolonged THC exposure and how it affects brain chemistry I'm not even apart of this debate, and now I am curious. Do you mind sharing what you have found?
- galaxyLogic 5y ago
  And there's really nothing wrong with crutches. If your leg hurts they help you get around. I don't get all this anti-crutches rhetoric

I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, hence a crutch.

amanaplanacanal 5y ago

In your mind, does this only apply to cannabis, or any mental-health related medication?

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
There are people who need to use prescribed medications to help regulate their mental health (usually in addition to psychotherapy), however I don't include cannabis in that realm. Cannabis (THC) has properties that (in some, not all and sometimes the reverse) reduce anxiety however, from what I've seen and experienced, cannabis is by in large used to self-medicate instead of seek real treatment.
- nwienert 5y ago
  We all need relief. You have your television, others have a substance that makes them more relaxed, introspective, creative, and appreciative of art and life. Life is tough, it’s not hard to understand that a substance that has the above effects with less side effects than most popular drugs could be enjoyed responsibly.

nwienert 5y ago

Only a person who doesn’t drink caffeine, alcohol, or any other drug (including aspirin and other non psychoactives) can approach making this claim. Hell, you could say the same thing to someone who enjoys a small dessert every night. Or a bath. So long as they’d feel sad to not have it, they are then avoiding a problem, right? Or… humans just really enjoy having diverse things to do, and all find different balances of what those things are. And THC suits very well to certain brain physiologies much like a bubble bath does for others.

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
I'm not going to go into the nuances of prolonged THC exposure and how it affects brain chemistry, especially under the guise of self-medication but you're not acting in good faith of our discussion by comparing THC to taking a bath.
- nwienert 5y ago
  I could link to a handful of very positive studies for THC, and a handful of negative. Here's a fun recent one showing that THC has potential mTOR1 activation and CNS myelination effects. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32956517/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32956517/ I could similarly link to about 10 pretty scary studies for caffeine, especially effect on brain structure and sleep quality. Or should we do sugar? The dose makes the poison for anything, it's not clear THC isn't beneficial at a lower dose. It's medically prescribed for cancer pain relief, and for a segment of people its anxiolytic effects are incredible.
- hirvi74 5y ago
  > I'm not going to go into the nuances of prolonged THC exposure and how it affects brain chemistry I'm not even apart of this debate, and now I am curious. Do you mind sharing what you have found?
galaxyLogic 5y ago
And there's really nothing wrong with crutches. If your leg hurts they help you get around. I don't get all this anti-crutches rhetoric