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He fixed the homicide rate already. [0] [0] https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/03/el-salvador-homicide-historic-low-2020-gangs-migration/ https://foreignpolicy.

by Geee 5y ago

He fixed the homicide rate already. [0] [0] https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/03/el-salvador-homicide-historic-low-2020-gangs-migration/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/03/el-salvador-homicide-hi...

arcticbull 5y ago
... by looking the other way while the cartels operate with impunity. My understanding was there was a handshake deal with the narcos that if they stopped murdering they'd stop checking in on them. [1] So yes, if you allow the state to become an arm of the cartels then I suppose you can call it a job well done that they're not murdering as many people. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54192736 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54192736
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Seems like a reasonable decision to me. I don't see how else the government could control the cartels. Plus it's got to be decent for their economy.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    Yes, let's all surrender to the criminals. Embrace the inescapable mad-max future. Maybe the Sicilians should run for office in Italy?
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      Is civil war forever really the best policy? At some point it makes sense to realize war is costly, both in terms of lives and the economy. When is it time to just try to make the best peace you can?
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        Is acquiescing to violent murderers and criminals?
        colinmhayes 5y ago
        If it stops them from murdering as much, it might be? The options seem to be they murder indiscriminately because they pretty much control the government or they murder less indiscriminately because they came to an agreement on when it's ok to murder with the government. I think option 2 is better, but different normative ethical philosophies certainly disagree.
    - quantumBerry 5y ago
      Be the change you want in this world. Why don't you go to El Salvador yourself and "fix" these criminals. I can't wait to see the results.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > I don't see how else the government could control the cartels. The use of “else” implies that this surrender constitutes the “government” controlling the cartels rather than vice versa. In fact, the cartels are the government, they’ve just outsourced the boring and less-profitable aspects of governing to the entity that calls itself the “government”, as long as it stays in line. (Which, to be fair, hardly makes El Salvador unique.)
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by Geee 5y ago

arcticbull 5y ago

... by looking the other way while the cartels operate with impunity. My understanding was there was a handshake deal with the narcos that if they stopped murdering they'd stop checking in on them. [1] So yes, if you allow the state to become an arm of the cartels then I suppose you can call it a job well done that they're not murdering as many people. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54192736 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54192736

colinmhayes 5y ago
Seems like a reasonable decision to me. I don't see how else the government could control the cartels. Plus it's got to be decent for their economy.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  Yes, let's all surrender to the criminals. Embrace the inescapable mad-max future. Maybe the Sicilians should run for office in Italy?
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    Is civil war forever really the best policy? At some point it makes sense to realize war is costly, both in terms of lives and the economy. When is it time to just try to make the best peace you can?
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Is acquiescing to violent murderers and criminals?
      - colinmhayes 5y ago
        If it stops them from murdering as much, it might be? The options seem to be they murder indiscriminately because they pretty much control the government or they murder less indiscriminately because they came to an agreement on when it's ok to murder with the government. I think option 2 is better, but different normative ethical philosophies certainly disagree.
  - quantumBerry 5y ago
    Be the change you want in this world. Why don't you go to El Salvador yourself and "fix" these criminals. I can't wait to see the results.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I don't see how else the government could control the cartels. The use of “else” implies that this surrender constitutes the “government” controlling the cartels rather than vice versa. In fact, the cartels are the government, they’ve just outsourced the boring and less-profitable aspects of governing to the entity that calls itself the “government”, as long as it stays in line. (Which, to be fair, hardly makes El Salvador unique.)
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