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It very likely is due to smoke inhalation or even mixing with tobacco; IIRC inhalation of any kind of micro- and nanoparticles is linked to higher risk of myoca

It very likely is due to smoke inhalation or even mixing with tobacco; IIRC inhalation of any kind of micro- and nanoparticles is linked to higher risk of myocardial infarction.

datavirtue 5y ago
I got a few new sativa vapes recently and was hitting them both pretty hard. I got smacked with a really disturbing heart issue that felt like it was being severely over worked. It was so bad I was on my front porch in n the dark resolved to dying. I didn't in now what was going to happen. I'll admit that I'm a lightweight but I had to stop with the "turpine pens." Now I just smoke dry herb because I know how to regulate it and it never presented any issues like I experienced. In the run up to that I did experience heart issues (racing/skipping?) but it was no where near that episode. I have noticed that sugar greatly exasperates the heart issues for me.
- newsclues 5y ago
  Sativa can give people anxiety and it can feel like a heart issue. Pens make it easier to get a bigger hit than a normal joint dose, so take smaller puffs.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    I think it is completely dependent on the person. Some people get anxiety from the bodily effects of indicas while some people seek out those muscle-relaxing, stress-clearing ”stoned” effects. Some people get anxiety from the high-flying thoughts brought about by sativas and some people seek out those idea-provoking cerebral ”high” effects.
- zardo 5y ago
  Of course I can't rule out that you actually had a cardiovascular problem, but of the people who get really high and think they have a medical problem, it's usually an anxiety attack.
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    Everyone likes to say that but as a cannabis user for 20+ years, most cannabis does raise HR when it "hits." It also can cause anxiety. Those two things combined can make HR even higher through a feedback loop. But it's disingenuous to think it doesn't raise HR in higher doses - that it's just an anxiety issue. Indica or sativa, they both cause a HR increase during intake. In my experience, it can taper off and one still remains high. But other times, the effect can last a while and the anxiety can turn into a full blown panic attack. Imagine the scenario where someone legitimately has a HR of 150 from Cannabis. They have anxiety about their heart rate and possibly dying, and their friend OP keeps insisting that they just need to "calm down and be cool" because this is "all in your head." That's what ignorant friends are for :-) "One of the most consistent effects of cannabis smoking on heart is 20% to 100% increase in HR which can last up to 2–3 hours, often accompanied by a slight increase in supine blood pressure. This effect of cannabis on HR is thought to be due to cannabis induced vasodilation causing reflex tachycardia (15,16)." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542986/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542986/
    - Tenoke 5y ago
      >They have anxiety about their heart rate and possibly dying, and their friend OP keeps insisting that they just need to "calm down and be cool" because this is "all in your head." That's what ignorant friends are for :-) 999 times of a thousand (likely much more) this is the correct response. As you acknowledged there's a feedback loop and external reasons to justify it are likely to increase your HR even further. Given that it increases anxiety and paranoia the times when people have a real problem are going to be extrme rarer compared to the amount of times they are just causing themselves extra anxiety by freaking out. Also 150 is still not really an issue. Anxiety can cause that and it can safely drop after calming down.
      - goldenkey 5y ago
        There's really nothing wrong with going to the hospital to get checked up if you've taken something that might be killing you. 150 is pretty high for a body that isn't exercising. If I had insurance and my HR was that high from a substance, and wasn't falling, I'd be on my way to the hospital if the diazepam I keep on hand didn't help. Your risk assessment is different. Trying to give stats on something neither of us can reliably give, is very silly.
- nickthegreek 5y ago
  I'd recommend looking into vaping dry herb with a Volcano to avoid the combustion of organics as well as the chemicals on the pens.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Sounds like an anxiety or panic attack. The latter often sends people to the ER because they think they're dying.
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
I know of at least one company that was founded to provide cigar enthusiasts a way to get access to tobacco to roll their own cigars at home, because the industry usually requires you to purchase the product by the bale. Because of the fragility of wrapper tobacco, they would place these in humidified sealed pouches. They soon learned that there was a large market for this and now they make 99% of their revenue selling wrappers in convenience stores. The cigar tobacco shop is still there, because it was mostly a labor of love instead of a true business venture. So what used to be paper wrappers is now replaced with a more premium product, but that premium product happens to be black tobacco which is much harsher than the cigarette tobacco people inhale regularly.

It very likely is due to smoke inhalation or even mixing with tobacco; IIRC inhalation of any kind of micro- and nanoparticles is linked to higher risk of myocardial infarction.

datavirtue 5y ago

I got a few new sativa vapes recently and was hitting them both pretty hard. I got smacked with a really disturbing heart issue that felt like it was being severely over worked. It was so bad I was on my front porch in n the dark resolved to dying. I didn't in now what was going to happen. I'll admit that I'm a lightweight but I had to stop with the "turpine pens." Now I just smoke dry herb because I know how to regulate it and it never presented any issues like I experienced. In the run up to that I did experience heart issues (racing/skipping?) but it was no where near that episode. I have noticed that sugar greatly exasperates the heart issues for me.

newsclues 5y ago
Sativa can give people anxiety and it can feel like a heart issue. Pens make it easier to get a bigger hit than a normal joint dose, so take smaller puffs.
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  I think it is completely dependent on the person. Some people get anxiety from the bodily effects of indicas while some people seek out those muscle-relaxing, stress-clearing ”stoned” effects. Some people get anxiety from the high-flying thoughts brought about by sativas and some people seek out those idea-provoking cerebral ”high” effects.
zardo 5y ago
Of course I can't rule out that you actually had a cardiovascular problem, but of the people who get really high and think they have a medical problem, it's usually an anxiety attack.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Everyone likes to say that but as a cannabis user for 20+ years, most cannabis does raise HR when it "hits." It also can cause anxiety. Those two things combined can make HR even higher through a feedback loop. But it's disingenuous to think it doesn't raise HR in higher doses - that it's just an anxiety issue. Indica or sativa, they both cause a HR increase during intake. In my experience, it can taper off and one still remains high. But other times, the effect can last a while and the anxiety can turn into a full blown panic attack. Imagine the scenario where someone legitimately has a HR of 150 from Cannabis. They have anxiety about their heart rate and possibly dying, and their friend OP keeps insisting that they just need to "calm down and be cool" because this is "all in your head." That's what ignorant friends are for :-) "One of the most consistent effects of cannabis smoking on heart is 20% to 100% increase in HR which can last up to 2–3 hours, often accompanied by a slight increase in supine blood pressure. This effect of cannabis on HR is thought to be due to cannabis induced vasodilation causing reflex tachycardia (15,16)." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542986/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542986/
  - Tenoke 5y ago
    >They have anxiety about their heart rate and possibly dying, and their friend OP keeps insisting that they just need to "calm down and be cool" because this is "all in your head." That's what ignorant friends are for :-) 999 times of a thousand (likely much more) this is the correct response. As you acknowledged there's a feedback loop and external reasons to justify it are likely to increase your HR even further. Given that it increases anxiety and paranoia the times when people have a real problem are going to be extrme rarer compared to the amount of times they are just causing themselves extra anxiety by freaking out. Also 150 is still not really an issue. Anxiety can cause that and it can safely drop after calming down.
    - goldenkey 5y ago
      There's really nothing wrong with going to the hospital to get checked up if you've taken something that might be killing you. 150 is pretty high for a body that isn't exercising. If I had insurance and my HR was that high from a substance, and wasn't falling, I'd be on my way to the hospital if the diazepam I keep on hand didn't help. Your risk assessment is different. Trying to give stats on something neither of us can reliably give, is very silly.
nickthegreek 5y ago
I'd recommend looking into vaping dry herb with a Volcano to avoid the combustion of organics as well as the chemicals on the pens.
heavyset_go 5y ago
Sounds like an anxiety or panic attack. The latter often sends people to the ER because they think they're dying.

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

I know of at least one company that was founded to provide cigar enthusiasts a way to get access to tobacco to roll their own cigars at home, because the industry usually requires you to purchase the product by the bale. Because of the fragility of wrapper tobacco, they would place these in humidified sealed pouches. They soon learned that there was a large market for this and now they make 99% of their revenue selling wrappers in convenience stores. The cigar tobacco shop is still there, because it was mostly a labor of love instead of a true business venture. So what used to be paper wrappers is now replaced with a more premium product, but that premium product happens to be black tobacco which is much harsher than the cigarette tobacco people inhale regularly.