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John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002246.html https://www.politico.com/gallery/20

John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002246.html https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-... Note the two "Joseph Russo" entries on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._Kennedy#U.S._House_of_Representatives_elections_(1946%E2%80%931950) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._K...

fennecfoxen 5y ago
Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-0704030881-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...
  - QuercusMax 5y ago
    Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      Interesting. I'm definitely not a subscriber, so that's not the issue.
    - NortySpock 5y ago
      Link worked for me, not a subscriber.
      - boogies 5y ago
        Same, maybe it's µblock Origin that fixes it? I'm using mostly stock LibreWolf with its preinstalled µBO on a MSW 10 library computer (though btw AdNauseum is a better µBO fork).
    - ComputerGuru 5y ago
      I posted the obligatory archive.is link as a sibling comment.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    The comment is upvoted now, but possibly the downvotes were for describing it as a "trick". One of the candidates they managed to interview admitted some signatures were forged for $5 each. (The link opened fine for me.)
    - stefan_ 5y ago
      The interview says they paid someone for collecting signatures, not forging them. Of course at the price of $5 that might have been implicit at the time.
      - alisonkisk 5y ago
        $5/signature is normal price, forged or not.
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    Non-paywall: https://archive.is/2Jyu2 https://archive.is/2Jyu2
  - Diesel555 5y ago
    If you want more information on this from former president Obama himself, read The Promise Land. He discusses this issue and he narrates the book.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  This is done by literally every single campaign/organization. The signature process is usually outsourced to people making $.25 a signature. And there is a HUGE amount of fraud. Even when checking against the voter file. Which BTW is public info for most places, which makes it easy to fill in 'correct' data. This happens even on legitimate large campaigns with controls who do NOT want to cheat lest they get thrown off ballot. But hire enough field organizers some are bound to cheat. That's why usually submit sometimes 2X the required number.
  - gpm 5y ago
    Honestly I feel like "unable to find field organizers who won't cheat" as a disqualifying characteristic... doesn't sound totally unreasonable.
- mcrae 5y ago
  What? Give me a break -- one is completely unlike the other. Listing candidates to intentionally confuse voters is completely different than (correctly!) challenging the legitimacy of voter signatures. Calling the latter a "trick" is completely dishonest. This whataboutism in America is exhausting.

fennecfoxen 5y ago

Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.

jaywalk 5y ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-0704030881-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...
- QuercusMax 5y ago
  Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    Interesting. I'm definitely not a subscriber, so that's not the issue.
  - NortySpock 5y ago
    Link worked for me, not a subscriber.
    - boogies 5y ago
      Same, maybe it's µblock Origin that fixes it? I'm using mostly stock LibreWolf with its preinstalled µBO on a MSW 10 library computer (though btw AdNauseum is a better µBO fork).
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    I posted the obligatory archive.is link as a sibling comment.
- Symbiote 5y ago
  The comment is upvoted now, but possibly the downvotes were for describing it as a "trick". One of the candidates they managed to interview admitted some signatures were forged for $5 each. (The link opened fine for me.)
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    The interview says they paid someone for collecting signatures, not forging them. Of course at the price of $5 that might have been implicit at the time.
    - alisonkisk 5y ago
      $5/signature is normal price, forged or not.
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  Non-paywall: https://archive.is/2Jyu2 https://archive.is/2Jyu2
- Diesel555 5y ago
  If you want more information on this from former president Obama himself, read The Promise Land. He discusses this issue and he narrates the book.
dillondoyle 5y ago
This is done by literally every single campaign/organization. The signature process is usually outsourced to people making $.25 a signature. And there is a HUGE amount of fraud. Even when checking against the voter file. Which BTW is public info for most places, which makes it easy to fill in 'correct' data. This happens even on legitimate large campaigns with controls who do NOT want to cheat lest they get thrown off ballot. But hire enough field organizers some are bound to cheat. That's why usually submit sometimes 2X the required number.
- gpm 5y ago
  Honestly I feel like "unable to find field organizers who won't cheat" as a disqualifying characteristic... doesn't sound totally unreasonable.
mcrae 5y ago
What? Give me a break -- one is completely unlike the other. Listing candidates to intentionally confuse voters is completely different than (correctly!) challenging the legitimacy of voter signatures. Calling the latter a "trick" is completely dishonest. This whataboutism in America is exhausting.