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Happened in Florida in 2020 as well... https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-same-but-theyre-different-florida-candidates-column/ https:/

Happened in Florida in 2020 as well... https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-same-but-theyre-different-florida-candidates-column/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/florida-election-trump-senator-rodriguez/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/florida-ele... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/frank-artiles-ileana-garcia-florida-election-b1820020.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

sam_lowry_ 5y ago
The Russian case will likely end differently.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  Maybe the assassination will be recorded on dashcam? (/s, hopefully)
- IAmEveryone 5y ago
  Trump will win?
drocer88 5y ago
John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002246.html https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-... Note the two "Joseph Russo" entries on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._Kennedy#U.S._House_of_Representatives_elections_(1946%E2%80%931950) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._K...
- fennecfoxen 5y ago
  Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-0704030881-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...
    - QuercusMax 5y ago
      Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?
      - jaywalk 5y ago
        Interesting. I'm definitely not a subscriber, so that's not the issue.
      - NortySpock 5y ago
        Link worked for me, not a subscriber.
        boogies 5y ago
        Same, maybe it's µblock Origin that fixes it? I'm using mostly stock LibreWolf with its preinstalled µBO on a MSW 10 library computer (though btw AdNauseum is a better µBO fork).
      - ComputerGuru 5y ago
        I posted the obligatory archive.is link as a sibling comment.
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      The comment is upvoted now, but possibly the downvotes were for describing it as a "trick". One of the candidates they managed to interview admitted some signatures were forged for $5 each. (The link opened fine for me.)
      - 5y ago
nomoreplease 5y ago
In the Florida case it was/is a common surname, not a full name. In this Russian case, two humans changed their full name to match. Presumably paid to do so. Very different situations Edit: in the Russian case, they also changed their appearance to match According to a sibling comment, this strategy goes back to JohnF Kennedy at least. Except that the Russians take it to the next level
- vmh1928 5y ago
  In Florida a sham candidate with the same surname as the real candidate paid to run to siphon off votes from the real candidate. Completely different. Not at all similar. Nothing in common. Nothing to see in Florida, move along please.
  - nomoreplease 5y ago
    OP said it happened In Florida but no name changes happened in Florida. My comment was meant to clarify, not argue in bad faith. I said “very” different not “completely different”. Nor did I argue that either should be ignored.
    - e40 5y ago
      Whether there is a name change involved, the result is the same, to siphon off votes. That's the main thrust of the story in Russia and FL. I'd say very similar not very different.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
      - nathanvanfleet 5y ago
        Can we agree that OP didn't read the article and so didn't really contrast the differences and move on?
    - smohare 5y ago
      Don’t be daft. The intent and result are identical. It’s not “very” different at all. It’s nominally different at best, but almost equivalent in practice. It’s intellectual dishonesty to suggest otherwise.
e40 5y ago
I really, really, really hope this becomes illegal. In one of the FL cases, reporters went to the house of the "other" one and he literally couldn't say why he was on the ballot. That is my recollection of the story I read at the time.
redleggedfrog 5y ago
Of course it did.
dzdt 5y ago
The third of those links is the most important: in the Florida case the spoiler candidate and the man paying him to run were charged with a crime. This doesn't reverse the election, whose outcome was almost certainly changed by the scheme, but it might deter others from following this playbook.
MichaelMoser123 5y ago
In Russian they have the term 'political technology' [1], which means the manipulation of elections by legal means, such as creating momentum for a candidate by means of opionion polls with biased/framed questions. Now according to wikipedia, the second trick in the list are doppelganger candidates. I didn't find a proper translation of the Russian term 'political technology', how do you say that in English? Correction: 'political consulting' is probably the correct translation, however it doesn't convey the same cynicism expressed by 'political technology'. [1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_consulting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_consulting

sam_lowry_ 5y ago

The Russian case will likely end differently.

robbedpeter 5y ago
Maybe the assassination will be recorded on dashcam? (/s, hopefully)
IAmEveryone 5y ago
Trump will win?

drocer88 5y ago

John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002246.html https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-... Note the two "Joseph Russo" entries on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._Kennedy#U.S._House_of_Representatives_elections_(1946%E2%80%931950) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._K...

fennecfoxen 5y ago
Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-0704030881-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...
  - QuercusMax 5y ago
    Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      Interesting. I'm definitely not a subscriber, so that's not the issue.
    - NortySpock 5y ago
      Link worked for me, not a subscriber.
      - boogies 5y ago
        Same, maybe it's µblock Origin that fixes it? I'm using mostly stock LibreWolf with its preinstalled µBO on a MSW 10 library computer (though btw AdNauseum is a better µBO fork).
    - ComputerGuru 5y ago
      I posted the obligatory archive.is link as a sibling comment.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    The comment is upvoted now, but possibly the downvotes were for describing it as a "trick". One of the candidates they managed to interview admitted some signatures were forged for $5 each. (The link opened fine for me.)
    - 5y ago

nomoreplease 5y ago

In the Florida case it was/is a common surname, not a full name. In this Russian case, two humans changed their full name to match. Presumably paid to do so. Very different situations Edit: in the Russian case, they also changed their appearance to match According to a sibling comment, this strategy goes back to JohnF Kennedy at least. Except that the Russians take it to the next level

vmh1928 5y ago
In Florida a sham candidate with the same surname as the real candidate paid to run to siphon off votes from the real candidate. Completely different. Not at all similar. Nothing in common. Nothing to see in Florida, move along please.
- nomoreplease 5y ago
  OP said it happened In Florida but no name changes happened in Florida. My comment was meant to clarify, not argue in bad faith. I said “very” different not “completely different”. Nor did I argue that either should be ignored.
  - e40 5y ago
    Whether there is a name change involved, the result is the same, to siphon off votes. That's the main thrust of the story in Russia and FL. I'd say very similar not very different.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - nathanvanfleet 5y ago
      Can we agree that OP didn't read the article and so didn't really contrast the differences and move on?
  - smohare 5y ago
    Don’t be daft. The intent and result are identical. It’s not “very” different at all. It’s nominally different at best, but almost equivalent in practice. It’s intellectual dishonesty to suggest otherwise.

e40 5y ago

I really, really, really hope this becomes illegal. In one of the FL cases, reporters went to the house of the "other" one and he literally couldn't say why he was on the ballot. That is my recollection of the story I read at the time.

redleggedfrog 5y ago

Of course it did.

dzdt 5y ago

The third of those links is the most important: in the Florida case the spoiler candidate and the man paying him to run were charged with a crime. This doesn't reverse the election, whose outcome was almost certainly changed by the scheme, but it might deter others from following this playbook.

MichaelMoser123 5y ago

In Russian they have the term 'political technology' [1], which means the manipulation of elections by legal means, such as creating momentum for a candidate by means of opionion polls with biased/framed questions. Now according to wikipedia, the second trick in the list are doppelganger candidates. I didn't find a proper translation of the Russian term 'political technology', how do you say that in English? Correction: 'political consulting' is probably the correct translation, however it doesn't convey the same cynicism expressed by 'political technology'. [1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_consulting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_consulting