> It's like saying a service is designed by PMs and engineered retroactively Which is a genuine problem on some teams right? The most effective teams I've work

> It's like saying a service is designed by PMs and engineered retroactively Which is a genuine problem on some teams right? The most effective teams I've worked on had engineering a part of the product design process from the beginning. On the worst teams we received a "fully specced" ticket and no engineer had ever seen it.