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I suspect the leadership of the leftists in America know that there are race IQ differences, but they use this to set up a loop to gain more power. How do you

I suspect the leadership of the leftists in America know that there are race IQ differences, but they use this to set up a loop to gain more power. How do you increase your authority if you know that races are not all of equal ability? 1. Lie and publicly express that you think all races are of equal ability at all things. 2. Widely report that some races don't do as well as others on standardized tests, etc. 3. Blame racists, or even a whole race that does better as the cause of this. 4. Demand that racists must be rooted out and further and further scrutinized for microagreassions, etc. 5. Demand more unconstrained power, money and authority to 'fix' this. 6. Go back to step 1 and continue the loop till you have absolute power.

vineyardmike 5y ago
I'll lead with this - people should be treated with respect regardless of their race and regardless of their IQ. People should be given equal opportunity to succeed, regardless of any differences. > Widely report that some races don't do as well as others on standardized tests, etc. >Blame racists, or even a whole race that does better as the cause of this. We have widely studied and reported on reasoning for why some races do worse on tests in america, and the answer is not inherent differences in race, and it has very reasonable scientific backing. The reason is racist policies that made it harder for some groups to succeed. This is a real thing in American history. It's the same underlying reasoning why many rich coastal enclaves in liberal areas also do better on standardized tests - better access to opportunity and support. > 3. Blame racists, or even a whole race that does better as the cause of this. Its pretty hard to ignore the american history of racism, from slavery to redlining to KKK to modern day voting laws. And its pretty easy to connect the dots to how those MASSIVE issues affect people in 2021.
- q1w2 5y ago
  > People should be given equal opportunity to succeed That is the old dogma. Today progressives insist on giving certain classes of people more opportunity than others. That is why "equality" has been replaced by "equity" in progressive propaganda.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    The important point of all this really was the vast american history of racism, not comparing dogma or "propoganda" to what i think about treatment of others. Also, FWIW you're wrong. Progressives are not about giving more opportunity, they're just ensuring that opportunity is received by the people who historically did not have opportunity. --- --- --- America has a vast history of racism that is providing people with neither equal nor equitable opportunity. That is the thing to remember. America has a vast history of racism that is providing people with neither equal nor equitable opportunity.
    - q1w2 5y ago
      Giving disproportionate advantage to minorities because minorities of the past several hundred years had disadvantage is not justice or even logical. It's just racism. I don't ask for anything special despite my ancestors being treated like crap. My ancestors were discriminated against, yet now my children are seen as benefactors of a "history of racism" despite our ancestors being literally subject to that racism. It's a farce, and a thinly veiled excuse for modern racism. ...and it's very telling that progressives have abandoned the notion of equality.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. This sort of battle comment leads to predictable, nasty discussion, and what we want here is curious conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

vineyardmike 5y ago

I'll lead with this - people should be treated with respect regardless of their race and regardless of their IQ. People should be given equal opportunity to succeed, regardless of any differences. > Widely report that some races don't do as well as others on standardized tests, etc. >Blame racists, or even a whole race that does better as the cause of this. We have widely studied and reported on reasoning for why some races do worse on tests in america, and the answer is not inherent differences in race, and it has very reasonable scientific backing. The reason is racist policies that made it harder for some groups to succeed. This is a real thing in American history. It's the same underlying reasoning why many rich coastal enclaves in liberal areas also do better on standardized tests - better access to opportunity and support. > 3. Blame racists, or even a whole race that does better as the cause of this. Its pretty hard to ignore the american history of racism, from slavery to redlining to KKK to modern day voting laws. And its pretty easy to connect the dots to how those MASSIVE issues affect people in 2021.

q1w2 5y ago
> People should be given equal opportunity to succeed That is the old dogma. Today progressives insist on giving certain classes of people more opportunity than others. That is why "equality" has been replaced by "equity" in progressive propaganda.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  The important point of all this really was the vast american history of racism, not comparing dogma or "propoganda" to what i think about treatment of others. Also, FWIW you're wrong. Progressives are not about giving more opportunity, they're just ensuring that opportunity is received by the people who historically did not have opportunity. --- --- --- America has a vast history of racism that is providing people with neither equal nor equitable opportunity. That is the thing to remember. America has a vast history of racism that is providing people with neither equal nor equitable opportunity.
  - q1w2 5y ago
    Giving disproportionate advantage to minorities because minorities of the past several hundred years had disadvantage is not justice or even logical. It's just racism. I don't ask for anything special despite my ancestors being treated like crap. My ancestors were discriminated against, yet now my children are seen as benefactors of a "history of racism" despite our ancestors being literally subject to that racism. It's a farce, and a thinly veiled excuse for modern racism. ...and it's very telling that progressives have abandoned the notion of equality.

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. This sort of battle comment leads to predictable, nasty discussion, and what we want here is curious conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html