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>Even if it's true, the society should not give ammunition to closet racists with their attempts to stealthily legitimise racism. So we shouldn't try to find o

by Levitz 5y ago

>Even if it's true, the society should not give ammunition to closet racists with their attempts to stealthily legitimise racism. So we shouldn't try to find out the truth, lest it be against our interests? That doesn't bode well at all. The idea that racism is wrong because we all have equal capabilities is preposterous to begin with, why, you might as well justify sexism in that way.

baybal2 5y ago
> The idea that racism is wrong because we all have equal capabilities is preposterous to begin with, why, you might as well justify sexism in that way. Nobody challenges that women are physically weaker then men. Trying to point to this, and scream out of loud as part of some fetish is preposterous, and trying to justify sexism. Nobody denies that genetics exist. Waging a sneaky campaign to seep into scientific publications to legitimise racism, and attempting to "scientifically pronouncing somebody dumber than others" is preposterous, and is racism. This vexation of finding scientific basis for somebody's inferiority is exactly what German, and American Nazis did in nineteen thirties, while hiding behind the fig leaf of "doing real science."
- bart_spoon 5y ago
  > Nobody challenges that women are physically weaker then men. I have encountered multiple people in my personal life who are offended by the idea that women are physically weaker than men. There is also plenty of evidence of this in the raging debate surrounding transgender (specifically male to female) individuals and their physical advantages competing against non-transgender women. So yes, I would say there are many who challenge that notion.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > There is also plenty of evidence of this in the raging debate surrounding transgender (specifically male to female) individuals and their physical advantages competing against non-transgender women. Yes, this is a huge issue in progressive ideology that is trying to take a local maxima of least-resistance arguments. There are solid arguments why M2F individuals are not problematic in sports, but "there are no differences" is not one of them. Better ones include, the inherent differences are much smaller after hormonal changes most m2f people undergo, or that elite tier athletics are already self-selecting for the most genetically extreme people anyways, further reducing the difference.

by Levitz 5y ago

baybal2 5y ago

> The idea that racism is wrong because we all have equal capabilities is preposterous to begin with, why, you might as well justify sexism in that way. Nobody challenges that women are physically weaker then men. Trying to point to this, and scream out of loud as part of some fetish is preposterous, and trying to justify sexism. Nobody denies that genetics exist. Waging a sneaky campaign to seep into scientific publications to legitimise racism, and attempting to "scientifically pronouncing somebody dumber than others" is preposterous, and is racism. This vexation of finding scientific basis for somebody's inferiority is exactly what German, and American Nazis did in nineteen thirties, while hiding behind the fig leaf of "doing real science."

bart_spoon 5y ago
> Nobody challenges that women are physically weaker then men. I have encountered multiple people in my personal life who are offended by the idea that women are physically weaker than men. There is also plenty of evidence of this in the raging debate surrounding transgender (specifically male to female) individuals and their physical advantages competing against non-transgender women. So yes, I would say there are many who challenge that notion.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > There is also plenty of evidence of this in the raging debate surrounding transgender (specifically male to female) individuals and their physical advantages competing against non-transgender women. Yes, this is a huge issue in progressive ideology that is trying to take a local maxima of least-resistance arguments. There are solid arguments why M2F individuals are not problematic in sports, but "there are no differences" is not one of them. Better ones include, the inherent differences are much smaller after hormonal changes most m2f people undergo, or that elite tier athletics are already self-selecting for the most genetically extreme people anyways, further reducing the difference.