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What does your job description say? What are your company reviews on Glassdoor? What does the whisper network say about what it's like to work as a woman in tec

What does your job description say? What are your company reviews on Glassdoor? What does the whisper network say about what it's like to work as a woman in tech at your company? Using a low estimate of 15% of CS degrees going to women, you'd get 750 women applying. What are you doing to get so many women to give your company an immediate rejection and apply somewhere else?

tarsinge 5y ago
> Using a low estimate of 15% of CS degrees going to women, you'd get 750 women applying. High paying usually means senior, seniority is usually 5-10 years, so you would need 15% 10 years ago.
- tchaffee 5y ago
  Yep, that's why I used 15% because over the past 20 years it never dipped that low. Here's one source that shows 10 years ago it would have been about 18%. https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajors.cfm https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajor...
OJFord 5y ago
> Using a low estimate of 15% of CS degrees going to women, you'd get 750 women applying. There were three in my cohort of ~35; and that was much more dense on that programme that was a (more CS-oriented) subset of the EE department's variants - something like 15 of 400 in first year, higher ratio (i.e. fewer female drop-outs/more doing MEng) by the end I think though. Only a few years ago. And even then, your conclusion is only valid for a graduate entry role - for something more senior you'd need to at least look at grad rates further back, if not what happens to people once in industry. (We've also assumed 100% grads - or even male/female anyway - do apply to industry at all, vs. not, or something else, or staying in academia, etc. I expect that's roughly true though.)
- tchaffee 5y ago
  > for something more senior you'd need to at least look at grad rates further back Sure. They have never dipped as low as 15% which is why I used it as very safe and generous number. Here's one source. https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajors.cfm https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajor... > if not what happens to people once in industry Indeed. What happens to people after they get a job is a relevant factor. It would be interesting to see both dropout rates over a career lifetime and if senior level women in tech are concentrated in a group of companies known to be good to work at via the whisper network. Even age is a factor. Most folks don't stick with their CS job until retirement age, although some are smart enough to save and retire before that age. Age discrimination is not exactly rare though. I have no idea where I'd get that kind of data or if it even exists, but maybe someone else does. Given that kind of data, an industry with a constant deficit of qualified senior level candidates would do well to improve that situation by figuring out how to reduce the dropouts.
michaelt 5y ago
Perhaps frankbreetz works for a company that isn't very cool, making it people's third choice; and a disproportionate number of women got hired by their first or second choice employer.

tarsinge 5y ago

> Using a low estimate of 15% of CS degrees going to women, you'd get 750 women applying. High paying usually means senior, seniority is usually 5-10 years, so you would need 15% 10 years ago.

tchaffee 5y ago
Yep, that's why I used 15% because over the past 20 years it never dipped that low. Here's one source that shows 10 years ago it would have been about 18%. https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajors.cfm https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajor...

OJFord 5y ago

> Using a low estimate of 15% of CS degrees going to women, you'd get 750 women applying. There were three in my cohort of ~35; and that was much more dense on that programme that was a (more CS-oriented) subset of the EE department's variants - something like 15 of 400 in first year, higher ratio (i.e. fewer female drop-outs/more doing MEng) by the end I think though. Only a few years ago. And even then, your conclusion is only valid for a graduate entry role - for something more senior you'd need to at least look at grad rates further back, if not what happens to people once in industry. (We've also assumed 100% grads - or even male/female anyway - do apply to industry at all, vs. not, or something else, or staying in academia, etc. I expect that's roughly true though.)

tchaffee 5y ago
> for something more senior you'd need to at least look at grad rates further back Sure. They have never dipped as low as 15% which is why I used it as very safe and generous number. Here's one source. https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajors.cfm https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajor... > if not what happens to people once in industry Indeed. What happens to people after they get a job is a relevant factor. It would be interesting to see both dropout rates over a career lifetime and if senior level women in tech are concentrated in a group of companies known to be good to work at via the whisper network. Even age is a factor. Most folks don't stick with their CS job until retirement age, although some are smart enough to save and retire before that age. Age discrimination is not exactly rare though. I have no idea where I'd get that kind of data or if it even exists, but maybe someone else does. Given that kind of data, an industry with a constant deficit of qualified senior level candidates would do well to improve that situation by figuring out how to reduce the dropouts.

michaelt 5y ago

Perhaps frankbreetz works for a company that isn't very cool, making it people's third choice; and a disproportionate number of women got hired by their first or second choice employer.