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> the classical UNIX desktop CDE? That hasn't existed for decades.

pjmlp 5y ago
Who cares about CDE, the classical UNIX desktop, as in the way that BSDs and GNU/Linux keep pushing for the old days with their fragmented stacks. macOS, although a UNIX, follows the same ideolagy as NeXTSTEP, where UNIX compatibility was a means to bring software into the platform, and that was about it, GUI software was to be fully taken advantage of Objective-C Frameworks.
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  My point is that "classical UNIX desktop" doesn't exist. (Hell, even UNIX itself doesn't exist anymore. Linux and FreeBSD is its own thing now.)
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    It sure does exist, a large majority of Linux and FreeBSD users pretend they are still living in the 80's with vt100 and an improved twm. As proven by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28437173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28437173 making to the first page today.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
      How do you find time for work? I see your comments shitting on everything that's not Windows pretty much everywhere.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        https://xkcd.com/303/ https://xkcd.com/303/ You missed my praises for Apple and Google platforms.
        Ygg2 5y ago
        What language do you use C++ or Rust?
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Java, C#, and C++, mostly.
        Ygg2 5y ago
        Wait a minute, C# doesn't compile that long :)
        pjmlp 5y ago
        There are these things called CI/CD and integration tests.
        Ygg2 5y ago
        Funny. Worked on few C# projects. Most I have seen was ~10min. My own project takes like 400ms.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Imagine the BLING if you combined that with this: [X] http://jdebp.info/Softwares/nosh/user-vt-screenshots.html http://jdebp.info/Softwares/nosh/user-vt-screenshots.html
    - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
      > with vt100 and an improved twm That's in no way a "classic Unix desktop". This is hipster nostalgia, like those indie "retro" pixel art videogames.
      - the_only_law 5y ago
        What is a classic Unix desktop then? Workstation running CDE/Motif?
        otabdeveloper4 5y ago
        > Workstation running CDE/Motif? Yes. "CDE" itself stands for "Common Desktop Environment". (Wikipedia says it was "part of the part of the UNIX 98 Workstation Product Standard", and if you remember the 1990's like I do, it was, indeed, supposed to be the "standard" desktop for Unixes.) P.S. Linux isn't a Unix.
pabs3 5y ago
CDE exists, is open source and has had commits only a month ago: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/activity/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/activity/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/master/log/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/master/log/
- lavabiopsy 5y ago
  If you actually look at the commits, it's mostly fixing the build and tweaking it to work on modern platforms. My personal opinion after trying it, I would not suggest use of Motif or CDE for anything besides nostalgia, it has some serious usability issues. But if you enjoy it, more power to you.

Who cares about CDE, the classical UNIX desktop, as in the way that BSDs and GNU/Linux keep pushing for the old days with their fragmented stacks. macOS, although a UNIX, follows the same ideolagy as NeXTSTEP, where UNIX compatibility was a means to bring software into the platform, and that was about it, GUI software was to be fully taken advantage of Objective-C Frameworks.

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
My point is that "classical UNIX desktop" doesn't exist. (Hell, even UNIX itself doesn't exist anymore. Linux and FreeBSD is its own thing now.)
- pjmlp 5y ago
  It sure does exist, a large majority of Linux and FreeBSD users pretend they are still living in the 80's with vt100 and an improved twm. As proven by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28437173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28437173 making to the first page today.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    How do you find time for work? I see your comments shitting on everything that's not Windows pretty much everywhere.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      https://xkcd.com/303/ https://xkcd.com/303/ You missed my praises for Apple and Google platforms.
      - Ygg2 5y ago
        What language do you use C++ or Rust?
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Java, C#, and C++, mostly.
        Ygg2 5y ago
        Wait a minute, C# doesn't compile that long :)
        pjmlp 5y ago
        There are these things called CI/CD and integration tests.
        Ygg2 5y ago
        Funny. Worked on few C# projects. Most I have seen was ~10min. My own project takes like 400ms.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Imagine the BLING if you combined that with this: [X] http://jdebp.info/Softwares/nosh/user-vt-screenshots.html http://jdebp.info/Softwares/nosh/user-vt-screenshots.html
  - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
    > with vt100 and an improved twm That's in no way a "classic Unix desktop". This is hipster nostalgia, like those indie "retro" pixel art videogames.
    - the_only_law 5y ago
      What is a classic Unix desktop then? Workstation running CDE/Motif?
      - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
        > Workstation running CDE/Motif? Yes. "CDE" itself stands for "Common Desktop Environment". (Wikipedia says it was "part of the part of the UNIX 98 Workstation Product Standard", and if you remember the 1990's like I do, it was, indeed, supposed to be the "standard" desktop for Unixes.) P.S. Linux isn't a Unix.

pabs3 5y ago

CDE exists, is open source and has had commits only a month ago: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/activity/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/activity/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/master/log/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/master/log/

lavabiopsy 5y ago
If you actually look at the commits, it's mostly fixing the build and tweaking it to work on modern platforms. My personal opinion after trying it, I would not suggest use of Motif or CDE for anything besides nostalgia, it has some serious usability issues. But if you enjoy it, more power to you.