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they have already brought so much pain to this world and yet we continue to pump up their economy .. make them even more powerful by continuing to make and buy

they have already brought so much pain to this world and yet we continue to pump up their economy .. make them even more powerful by continuing to make and buy millions of products made in China. The CCP (not it's people) are scourge to this world and should be dealt with by all countries it has brought pain too!

chrischen 5y ago
The Chinese people, even if not all, support their own government, at least more so than a foreign government. Trying to separate the two is misguided. Chinese people shape the CCP, make up its ranks, and for the most part tolerate it and grant it legitimacy by the act of not rebelling.
- Lio 5y ago
  If that were true the CCP would have nothing to fear from democratic elections or free media. Not rebelling against the heavily armed PLA is a pretty low bar for legitimacy.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    They fear democracy for the same reason the US used to fear communism: because it is an incompatible system and political party. Are Democrats and Republicans truly that much different besides some differences in policy platforms? They are two separate factions vying for the role of who can govern better, but people these days aren't really looking too closely at results and just voting based on factionalism. China's system is more top-down control, and thus risks failure if the top is corrupted. I think it's probably less tenable long term, but I also don't believe it needs a finger to tip it over the edge. You've probably been fed propaganda that legitimacy comes from democracy, but it does not. Democracy has long been seen as the least worst of any system for Americans. It is only as legitimate as those of use who fight to defend it, because freedom isn't free, and neither is our system: democracy. Ultimately legitimacy comes from whether people fight for their government and defend their way of life, regardless of however wrong you may think it is. What is the legitimate government of Vietnam, Afghanistan? Clearly the the US-backed democratic government in Afghanistan is now going the way of illegitimacy (because no one cares enough to support it), despite being fully democratic. It's illegitimate because neither the US aid, weaponry, training, was able to get its democratic supporters to care enough to fight for their way of life. If people had to fight for what government they wanted (democracy, dictatorship, monarchy, oligarchy), and a foreign nation comes in and props one of these up with advanced weaponry and military force, and still fails, is it still legitimate just because it was a Democratic government?

chrischen 5y ago

The Chinese people, even if not all, support their own government, at least more so than a foreign government. Trying to separate the two is misguided. Chinese people shape the CCP, make up its ranks, and for the most part tolerate it and grant it legitimacy by the act of not rebelling.

Lio 5y ago
If that were true the CCP would have nothing to fear from democratic elections or free media. Not rebelling against the heavily armed PLA is a pretty low bar for legitimacy.
- chrischen 5y ago
  They fear democracy for the same reason the US used to fear communism: because it is an incompatible system and political party. Are Democrats and Republicans truly that much different besides some differences in policy platforms? They are two separate factions vying for the role of who can govern better, but people these days aren't really looking too closely at results and just voting based on factionalism. China's system is more top-down control, and thus risks failure if the top is corrupted. I think it's probably less tenable long term, but I also don't believe it needs a finger to tip it over the edge. You've probably been fed propaganda that legitimacy comes from democracy, but it does not. Democracy has long been seen as the least worst of any system for Americans. It is only as legitimate as those of use who fight to defend it, because freedom isn't free, and neither is our system: democracy. Ultimately legitimacy comes from whether people fight for their government and defend their way of life, regardless of however wrong you may think it is. What is the legitimate government of Vietnam, Afghanistan? Clearly the the US-backed democratic government in Afghanistan is now going the way of illegitimacy (because no one cares enough to support it), despite being fully democratic. It's illegitimate because neither the US aid, weaponry, training, was able to get its democratic supporters to care enough to fight for their way of life. If people had to fight for what government they wanted (democracy, dictatorship, monarchy, oligarchy), and a foreign nation comes in and props one of these up with advanced weaponry and military force, and still fails, is it still legitimate just because it was a Democratic government?