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Isn't this what the US and UK did to Julian Assuage?

by tehjoker 5y ago

dbsmith83 5y ago
Perhaps, but that's off-topic what aboutism. What does that have to do with the story?
- chc 5y ago
  I think it is relevant here because it provides evidence on whether other countries are likely to put their foot down against China over things like this.
  - dbsmith83 5y ago
    The Assange situation is very different than this one on many levels. I can't see much similarity. It came across as a poor attempt to defend the CCP with the old "America is no better" trope
- Chris2048 5y ago
  whataboutism usually refers to irrelevant things. Given Assange is recent (and ongoing) why is it not relevant?
  - dbsmith83 5y ago
    And relevant usually refers to something that relates to the topic. Again, I ask, what does it have to do with the story?
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      Its a comparison to us/uk relations, that relates to the topic. It literally refers to the story as "this".
      - dbsmith83 5y ago
        "But what about the US/UK!? They do it too!" Combined with the fact that the Assange situation is not at all similar, I don't see it as relevant.
        Chris2048 5y ago
        Different situation, same behaviour - the trampling of individuals for political gain. BTW, even the historical example of Russian "and you lynch blacks" to the US in response to human-right criticism is relevant, as exemplified by the export of BLM as a general civil rights movement. The US/UK should still be able to criticise China, but without pretending to be a laudable moral example.
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        dbsmith83 5y ago
        Ah then this is where our difference of opinion is. I can see now why you think it's relevant. For me, I always viewed the Russian responses to criticism as diversionary in nature, meant to just essentially say "Well you're not perfect either!". To me, that is just a diversionary tactic to disregard the subject at hand
mrtranscendence 5y ago
You mean the US and UK disappeared one of Julian Assange's closest relatives, kept them detained for four years, and trotted them out as blackmail to keep him silent? It doesn't seem the same to me.

Isn't this what the US and UK did to Julian Assuage?

dbsmith83 5y ago

Perhaps, but that's off-topic what aboutism. What does that have to do with the story?

chc 5y ago
I think it is relevant here because it provides evidence on whether other countries are likely to put their foot down against China over things like this.
- dbsmith83 5y ago
  The Assange situation is very different than this one on many levels. I can't see much similarity. It came across as a poor attempt to defend the CCP with the old "America is no better" trope
Chris2048 5y ago
whataboutism usually refers to irrelevant things. Given Assange is recent (and ongoing) why is it not relevant?
- dbsmith83 5y ago
  And relevant usually refers to something that relates to the topic. Again, I ask, what does it have to do with the story?
  - Chris2048 5y ago
    Its a comparison to us/uk relations, that relates to the topic. It literally refers to the story as "this".
    - dbsmith83 5y ago
      "But what about the US/UK!? They do it too!" Combined with the fact that the Assange situation is not at all similar, I don't see it as relevant.
      - Chris2048 5y ago
        Different situation, same behaviour - the trampling of individuals for political gain. BTW, even the historical example of Russian "and you lynch blacks" to the US in response to human-right criticism is relevant, as exemplified by the export of BLM as a general civil rights movement. The US/UK should still be able to criticise China, but without pretending to be a laudable moral example.
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        dbsmith83 5y ago
        Ah then this is where our difference of opinion is. I can see now why you think it's relevant. For me, I always viewed the Russian responses to criticism as diversionary in nature, meant to just essentially say "Well you're not perfect either!". To me, that is just a diversionary tactic to disregard the subject at hand

mrtranscendence 5y ago

You mean the US and UK disappeared one of Julian Assange's closest relatives, kept them detained for four years, and trotted them out as blackmail to keep him silent? It doesn't seem the same to me.