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This is exactly what has happened during the pandemic. In 2015 if you paid $15/hour for entry level physical work you would get a lot of applications with some

This is exactly what has happened during the pandemic. In 2015 if you paid $15/hour for entry level physical work you would get a lot of applications with some high quality applicants. In 2021 you need to remove the weed drug testing provision and then hope that you will get applicants. Printing 3T dollars and handing out 3k/month to everyone has caused the cost of labor to double or triple in some areas. In other words the way out of the social security insolvency is to reduce the quality of labor a dollar buys. In 2040 you should expect to get 4k/month from social security and for that to cover your food and housing, but hiring a person to replace your gutters will cost $90/hour

jimbob45 5y ago
Do you have data to back up mass drug test failing? The general consensus is that you have to be both outstandingly stupid and an actual addict to fail the well-telegraphed drug tests at most minimum wage places.
- nostromo 5y ago
  Amazon dropped drug testing for delivery drivers. Maybe they’re just feeling kind. More likely: they’re having trouble finding people to become delivery drivers. https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/update-on-our-vision-to-be-earths-best-employer-and-earths-safest-place-to-work https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/update-on-our-vi...
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Amazon does not employ delivery drivers. They recently suggested to the delivery companies they pay to deliver packages to homes not drug test in order to find drivers. I assume the drivers Amazon employs are actual truck drivers under the purview of the Department of Transportion, and are probably still drug tested to satisfy whatever federal requirements they have to satisfy. > We will no longer include marijuana in our comprehensive drug screening program for any positions not regulated by the Department of Transportation, and will instead treat it the same as alcohol use.
    - nostromo 5y ago
      The policy applies to employees and contractors. Most of their drivers are not long-haul, but last mile delivery.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        According to this article, the last mile deliveries are made by drivers employed by what they Amazon calls Delivery Service Partners: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/amazon-work-rules-govern-tweets-body-odor-of-contract-drivers https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/amazon-wo... According to this article, Amazon is suggesting the companies they pay to make the home deliveries to skip marijuana testing in order to find more drivers: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-09-01/amazons-answer-to-delivery-driver-shortage-recruit-pot-smokers https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-09-01... The distinction is important because Amazon seems to be wanting the companies they pay to make the home deliveries to pick up possible liabilities from not testing drivers for marijuana use, but it is not clear if Amazon has chosen to accept that liability as well.
        throwawayboise 5y ago
        The people driving vans painted with Amazon logos, who are working hours dictated by Amazon, who are delivering parcels at Amazon's instruction, and who are not delivering parcels for anyone else, are not Amazon employees? I guess the IRS rules on "contractor or employee" must have changed.
    - a3n 5y ago
      I kind of don't think local van delivery drivers are DOT regulated. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+you+need+a+cdl+to+drive+for+Amazon&t=fpas&ia=places https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+you+need+a+cdl+to+drive+for+Ama... The people under Amazon's purview that are DOT regulated would be CDL holders driving semi trucks and similar. Those are strictly drug and alcohol regulated, with fed mandated preemployment and ongoing random tests.
      - 5y ago
- a3n 5y ago
  This has been a news theme for some years. A few years ago the problem got some attention, as problems periodically do. I remember Home Depot and a lumber mill featuring. They had enough candidates for the jobs they had, but rejected many for weed. There was much believable hand wringing. Of course now Amazon is in the news for asking their contracted local delivery "partners" to not reject driver applicants for weed. Although this time around it's not because of weed directly, it's the general lack of applicants; Amazon's already expressed concern that, due to turnover, they may have already cycled through most of their potential workers.

jimbob45 5y ago

Do you have data to back up mass drug test failing? The general consensus is that you have to be both outstandingly stupid and an actual addict to fail the well-telegraphed drug tests at most minimum wage places.

nostromo 5y ago
Amazon dropped drug testing for delivery drivers. Maybe they’re just feeling kind. More likely: they’re having trouble finding people to become delivery drivers. https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/update-on-our-vision-to-be-earths-best-employer-and-earths-safest-place-to-work https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/update-on-our-vi...
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Amazon does not employ delivery drivers. They recently suggested to the delivery companies they pay to deliver packages to homes not drug test in order to find drivers. I assume the drivers Amazon employs are actual truck drivers under the purview of the Department of Transportion, and are probably still drug tested to satisfy whatever federal requirements they have to satisfy. > We will no longer include marijuana in our comprehensive drug screening program for any positions not regulated by the Department of Transportation, and will instead treat it the same as alcohol use.
  - nostromo 5y ago
    The policy applies to employees and contractors. Most of their drivers are not long-haul, but last mile delivery.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      According to this article, the last mile deliveries are made by drivers employed by what they Amazon calls Delivery Service Partners: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/amazon-work-rules-govern-tweets-body-odor-of-contract-drivers https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/amazon-wo... According to this article, Amazon is suggesting the companies they pay to make the home deliveries to skip marijuana testing in order to find more drivers: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-09-01/amazons-answer-to-delivery-driver-shortage-recruit-pot-smokers https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-09-01... The distinction is important because Amazon seems to be wanting the companies they pay to make the home deliveries to pick up possible liabilities from not testing drivers for marijuana use, but it is not clear if Amazon has chosen to accept that liability as well.
      - throwawayboise 5y ago
        The people driving vans painted with Amazon logos, who are working hours dictated by Amazon, who are delivering parcels at Amazon's instruction, and who are not delivering parcels for anyone else, are not Amazon employees? I guess the IRS rules on "contractor or employee" must have changed.
  - a3n 5y ago
    I kind of don't think local van delivery drivers are DOT regulated. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+you+need+a+cdl+to+drive+for+Amazon&t=fpas&ia=places https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+you+need+a+cdl+to+drive+for+Ama... The people under Amazon's purview that are DOT regulated would be CDL holders driving semi trucks and similar. Those are strictly drug and alcohol regulated, with fed mandated preemployment and ongoing random tests.
    - 5y ago
a3n 5y ago
This has been a news theme for some years. A few years ago the problem got some attention, as problems periodically do. I remember Home Depot and a lumber mill featuring. They had enough candidates for the jobs they had, but rejected many for weed. There was much believable hand wringing. Of course now Amazon is in the news for asking their contracted local delivery "partners" to not reject driver applicants for weed. Although this time around it's not because of weed directly, it's the general lack of applicants; Amazon's already expressed concern that, due to turnover, they may have already cycled through most of their potential workers.