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There's polling numbers on all this. You can check popular approval of imperial wars in the US (it is low), or you can check Chinese approval of their governme

There's polling numbers on all this. You can check popular approval of imperial wars in the US (it is low), or you can check Chinese approval of their government (it is high).

MathCodeLove 5y ago
Ah yes, the extremely reputable self-reporting from Chinese citizens, who absolutely have no fear for their safety should they say the wrong thing. Of course the Chinese love the CCP, they all say so!
- refenestrator 5y ago
  Go talk to some Chinese people, then, do your own research. Just don't call them brainwashed while uncritically swallowing a story about how we're all free and they're all oppressed, no matter what they say about it.
  - MathCodeLove 5y ago
    Hmm maybe once China decides to get rid of it's Muslim concentration camps I'll take a visit and ask around. Until then, it's pretty clear to me which government is objectively worse.
    - ca01an 5y ago
      The USA has made life objectively worse for a much larger number of Muslims than China has over the past few decades
ipaddr 5y ago
Approval of their government compared to what? What is the alternative? Chaos? In a democracy you have many parties and points of view which would naturally lead to lower popularity as it spreads over many ideas. Each takes turns and this system renews ideas.
- refenestrator 5y ago
  You ever see that photo of the bund in Shanghai in 1990 and then in 2010? Why is it so hard to believe people are happy with this?
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank. Did you see that photo in China?
    - refenestrator 5y ago
      Sorry, I thought you were trying to understand why Chinese people might be happy with their government after you add it all up. If it's just cold war arguments and demonization, I can't help you with that. Consider, even if you're that hardcore about it, 'know your enemy' has some value. They understand us but we don't understand them, and sometimes it's willful on our part. We'd rather tell ourselves a story.
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        They are either happy with society by extension the government or they are selfish for not thinking about others. I don't think happy with the government is a concept. The question becomes are you happy with society

There's polling numbers on all this. You can check popular approval of imperial wars in the US (it is low), or you can check Chinese approval of their government (it is high).

MathCodeLove 5y ago

Ah yes, the extremely reputable self-reporting from Chinese citizens, who absolutely have no fear for their safety should they say the wrong thing. Of course the Chinese love the CCP, they all say so!

refenestrator 5y ago
Go talk to some Chinese people, then, do your own research. Just don't call them brainwashed while uncritically swallowing a story about how we're all free and they're all oppressed, no matter what they say about it.
- MathCodeLove 5y ago
  Hmm maybe once China decides to get rid of it's Muslim concentration camps I'll take a visit and ask around. Until then, it's pretty clear to me which government is objectively worse.
  - ca01an 5y ago
    The USA has made life objectively worse for a much larger number of Muslims than China has over the past few decades

ipaddr 5y ago

Approval of their government compared to what? What is the alternative? Chaos? In a democracy you have many parties and points of view which would naturally lead to lower popularity as it spreads over many ideas. Each takes turns and this system renews ideas.

refenestrator 5y ago
You ever see that photo of the bund in Shanghai in 1990 and then in 2010? Why is it so hard to believe people are happy with this?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank. Did you see that photo in China?
  - refenestrator 5y ago
    Sorry, I thought you were trying to understand why Chinese people might be happy with their government after you add it all up. If it's just cold war arguments and demonization, I can't help you with that. Consider, even if you're that hardcore about it, 'know your enemy' has some value. They understand us but we don't understand them, and sometimes it's willful on our part. We'd rather tell ourselves a story.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      They are either happy with society by extension the government or they are selfish for not thinking about others. I don't think happy with the government is a concept. The question becomes are you happy with society