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Disclaimer: I am a paying customer. Very classy post. To-the-point. There are limitations with digital services. If you don't like what happened, you need to

Disclaimer: I am a paying customer. Very classy post. To-the-point. There are limitations with digital services. If you don't like what happened, you need to change things. They only way to change things is to change the law. This begins with voting.

sshine 5y ago
...from prison, where you were put because your email provider's guarantees eroded over time.
- DanHulton 5y ago
  Did you read the article? Because their guarantees didn't "erode over time," this exact attack vector, and how to mitigate it, was disclosed in their public report over five years ago.
blueline 5y ago
What do I do when not a single candidate in any election that I can vote in has even heard of, much less taken my preferred position on, this issue?
- WJW 5y ago
  - Lobby with the existing candidates (and/or incumbents) to get them to take a stand on this issue. - Same point as before but indirectly: gather public support by leveraging the (social) media available to you. - If all else fails: run for office yourself.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    > - If all else fails: run for office yourself. I advise all, especially Americans, to do this first.
  - GreenWatermelon 5y ago
    And, if all of this fails and your country appears to be corrupted, consider protesting. Revolting might become necessary depending on the condition.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  Run yourself
polote 5y ago
The only issue here, is that Proton said on their homepage that they don't log IP, but they in fact do it when asked by the police. Vote will not impact that. Anonymity doesn't exists for GAFA or Big governments on internet that's all, if you are not happy with that, you can vote as you want it will not change. But anonymity in society will soon stop existing as well. With all cameras that we have everywhere, we just need the Chinese facial recognition system and that will be the end. That's how it is.
- YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 5y ago
  They have always said that. Years go.
viktorcode 5y ago
Or, you could change the country of your email provider.
ezluckyfree 5y ago
It's very rare to actually change things in a liberal democracy with voting. This is a central contradiction of the system, because there is very little incentive for existing governments to offer the ability to vote for policies which would change the status quo. Probably doubly so with something as subversive as what you are suggesting, states don't like it when non-states are able to keep secrets. Modern labor rights, environmental policy, and basic equality for marginalized groups (women, POC, LGBT people etc.) under the law, are frequently touted as victories of liberal democratic systems but almost all of these rights exist because of massive civil disobedience, and often violent protests. In all cases, you need huge support of the voter base for a particular issue before voting for a candidate to represent it is ever an option. Even then, there is simply no way to hold elected officials accountable to implementing their platform, and how could there be? No plurality of elected officials would ever want to pass that law in the first place.
- ploika 5y ago
  It might largely depend on whether you live somewhere with proportional representation or not. Full-on revolution at the ballot box is rare in liberal democracies, sure, but single-issue candidates get elected pretty commonly and often have outsized influence if they're needed for a coalition government.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  Women's rights actually occurred in defiance of popular numbers by a vote. In the US, the same thing happened for integration of schools. You do, typically, need a majority of the voters to agree with you. In representative democracy that means you need a plurality of representatives. Candidates can and do lie. That is something you need to evaluate as part of voting for them.
  - ezluckyfree 5y ago
    In defiance of popular numbers, but as a result of decades of (mostly illegal) protests.
- eterevsky 5y ago

sshine 5y ago

...from prison, where you were put because your email provider's guarantees eroded over time.

DanHulton 5y ago
Did you read the article? Because their guarantees didn't "erode over time," this exact attack vector, and how to mitigate it, was disclosed in their public report over five years ago.

blueline 5y ago

What do I do when not a single candidate in any election that I can vote in has even heard of, much less taken my preferred position on, this issue?

WJW 5y ago
- Lobby with the existing candidates (and/or incumbents) to get them to take a stand on this issue. - Same point as before but indirectly: gather public support by leveraging the (social) media available to you. - If all else fails: run for office yourself.
- baybal2 5y ago
  > - If all else fails: run for office yourself. I advise all, especially Americans, to do this first.
- GreenWatermelon 5y ago
  And, if all of this fails and your country appears to be corrupted, consider protesting. Revolting might become necessary depending on the condition.
breakfastduck 5y ago
Run yourself

polote 5y ago

The only issue here, is that Proton said on their homepage that they don't log IP, but they in fact do it when asked by the police. Vote will not impact that. Anonymity doesn't exists for GAFA or Big governments on internet that's all, if you are not happy with that, you can vote as you want it will not change. But anonymity in society will soon stop existing as well. With all cameras that we have everywhere, we just need the Chinese facial recognition system and that will be the end. That's how it is.

YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 5y ago
They have always said that. Years go.

viktorcode 5y ago

Or, you could change the country of your email provider.

ezluckyfree 5y ago

It's very rare to actually change things in a liberal democracy with voting. This is a central contradiction of the system, because there is very little incentive for existing governments to offer the ability to vote for policies which would change the status quo. Probably doubly so with something as subversive as what you are suggesting, states don't like it when non-states are able to keep secrets. Modern labor rights, environmental policy, and basic equality for marginalized groups (women, POC, LGBT people etc.) under the law, are frequently touted as victories of liberal democratic systems but almost all of these rights exist because of massive civil disobedience, and often violent protests. In all cases, you need huge support of the voter base for a particular issue before voting for a candidate to represent it is ever an option. Even then, there is simply no way to hold elected officials accountable to implementing their platform, and how could there be? No plurality of elected officials would ever want to pass that law in the first place.

ploika 5y ago
It might largely depend on whether you live somewhere with proportional representation or not. Full-on revolution at the ballot box is rare in liberal democracies, sure, but single-issue candidates get elected pretty commonly and often have outsized influence if they're needed for a coalition government.
vorpalhex 5y ago
Women's rights actually occurred in defiance of popular numbers by a vote. In the US, the same thing happened for integration of schools. You do, typically, need a majority of the voters to agree with you. In representative democracy that means you need a plurality of representatives. Candidates can and do lie. That is something you need to evaluate as part of voting for them.
- ezluckyfree 5y ago
  In defiance of popular numbers, but as a result of decades of (mostly illegal) protests.
eterevsky 5y ago