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No need to calm things down or thread needles, since I am rather stoic. You wanted interaction rather than downvotes, I gave you exactly that, so no need to com
by pure_simplicity 5y ago
No need to calm things down or thread needles, since I am rather stoic. You wanted interaction rather than downvotes, I gave you exactly that, so no need to complain about it being exhausting either.
The downvotes may have come from individuals who also think it would be helpful if you treated yourself and others as individuals rather than avatars of their racial collective. Your opinions are your opinions, there is nothing black or white about your opinion (in terms of skin color at least) or anyone else's opinions. There are white people that think like you, and there are black people that think unlike you.
Having a certain skin color doesn't make your opinion more valid or more worthy of being listened to either, even if you are in a demographic minority. For your opinion to be valid it has to have merit, so you have to back it up with good arguments that can convince a reasonable person. There's no racial cheat code we can/should insert into public discourse to bypass rational evaluation. That would be the bigotry of low expectations (you can't argue effectively for your case because of your identity, so we're gonna accept your conclusion because of your identity).
Shifting from the indefensible: "my opinions are absolutely related to my skin color and that's precisely why you all need to pay special attention to them" to the much milder and very different: "[it's] plausible that the lack of black folks in tech today is leading to unintended negative consequences", and glossing that over as "maybe I didn't quite say this in the exact way that won't set people off the first time", rather than admitting you were racially stereotyping yourself and (at least implicitly) other individuals is poor form. That's not a clarification, but a different argument. I think it's high time white leftists and leftist blacks confront their own racism, cuz that's the only form of socially acceptable racism that currently exists in the west.
Having said that, I think there's not much interesting about the hypothetical you raised. Changing the demographic composition of any group of people is almost certainly gonna change the distribution of opinions on the spectrum on any given topic, but that does not mean we are getting closer to truth. In the end, all that should matter is the facts and the arguments. That's why slavery and segregation were abolished at a time when blacks were vastly outnumbered in the population and in politics.
We don't need population level representation of blacks in tech (though it may be beneficial) to hold big tech accountable and achieve meaningful change, we just have to make the argument and raise awareness and reasonable people of all races will join in your cause if your argument has merit. Let's get back to MLK's ideal of color blindness, because those who are teaching us to see color are teaching us to hate each other.
- shashwatak 5y agoMLK did not preach “color blindness”, in fact he explicitly warned against the duplicity of “moderate whites” such as yourself.
- pure_simplicity 5y agoConservative black, sorry. You failed the guessing game and proved my point that skin color correlates with opinion about as poorly as maths ability does (i.e. not meaningfully). MLK preached judging by Character instead of Color, which is referred to as color blindness. Also, the moderates of his era were moderate relative to the political landscape of their era. This is not a universal indictment, but a very culturally situated and contextually dependent statement, unlike the universal and timeless principle of color blindness.
- spennant 5y agoI read jrm4’s comment a little differently… It’s not that one’s skincolor correlates to opinion, but that it necessarily informs it. It’s pretty evident that people of similar skin tone and experiences may differ in opinion (just look at any family). Because of this, my takeaway wasn’t that it was the only thing that informed one’s opinion, but skin, as one of our society’s integral method for categorizing people, is intractable from the opinion forming process, particularly around matters concerning race.
- pure_simplicity 5y agoSkin color is a very passive trait. You can choose to make it as important or unimportant as you want. People who overemphasize skin color tend to be bad people. As such, I advise you to just not pay any attention to skin color, because as soon as you try to involve race or skin color in your judgment, you by definition become racist (no matter how well intentioned you think you are). The only way to not be racist is to leave race out of the equation and judge based on universal principles, thereby treating everyone equally (and we can debate which principles are universal). Because of that, calling your opinion a black opinion is literally an invitation to your conversation partner to become racist in their judgment, since you are trying to get your conversation partner to focus on your race when they are considering your opinion. The only right way of treating that additional and unnecessary information is to ignore it, but if it can only rightly be ignored, then it shouldn't be shared in the first place since it is an impediment to constructive dialogue. Skin color is as important as the paint job on your car: for some people it means the world, for some people it's just a paint job. It's liberating to not care about race, you should try it.