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No it's not easy to switch. Engineeting Organisations have invested a lot in the Jira eco system, that includes custom workflows that are understood only by a f
by hirako2000 5y ago
No it's not easy to switch. Engineeting Organisations have invested a lot in the Jira eco system, that includes custom workflows that are understood only by a few to be able to alter them, users are productive right now with jira and nobody wants them less productive even just for a while learning another task manager. Here again the integration effort to migrate would scare any leader who would be blame for the impact on so many teams deliverables. The effort is enormous and error prone to take all the data in there, move it elsewhere, rebuild the workflow and integration configuration, while keeping track of lack of feature parity to write down an explanation before everyone complains and pre empting their request to at least provide a work around what they used to be able to do with 3 clicks. Confluence slips right in because it integrates very well with jira. Just embed a confluence page into a task, and just mention a jira task within a confluence page and you get a seamless experience. Yes we could use another wiki , and a good one as confluence is a calamity. But convenience is what organisations are after. Perfect is the enemy of the good they will say. I don't have a love for atlassian products, but they tend to do their job very well compared to the majority of the competition. You will always find one product that compares, or even is superior but overall, their product works. So here we are.
If they get plagued by further security vulnerabilities then companies handling sensitive data will concede to migrate, but it won't be simple by any means.
If you believe changing people's habits is easier than ever, it's rather the opposite. Workers are less and less inclined to learn any other way . The alternative has to be order of magnitude better than what they are using, otherwise they will resist the change. The fact is atlassian provide good to great products overall.
- nicoburns 5y ago> "Just embed a confluence page into a task" Except that confluence and JIRA are both so slow that you'll still be there 2 minutes later waiting for it to load. Perhaps not everybody's experience is so bad? I don't understand how anyone could consider these products convenient given how ridiculously slow they were. We used to do refinement meetings over video call (I guess everyone is these days) inputting into JIRA, and we'd literally spend 3/4's of the call waiting for JIRA to catch up with the words I'd typed. There's bad engineering, and then there's making writing a sentence text box lag with times measures in seconds.
- nwatson 5y agoWe use the cloud version, I've edited huge Confluence pages and it's typically very snappy. Jira likewise. Could be an under-resourced on-premise deployment?
- jhardy54 5y agoI think they’re talking about the front-end, not the server. FWIW both Confluence and Jira are abysmally slow on my machine (new MBP) on the cloud version.
- wutwutwutwut 5y agoI use both Jira and Confluence (cloud version) on a 6 year old Dell laptop and have no performance issues. Maybe I'm closer to their servers. Or you're using Safari.
- jhardy54 5y agoNope, I’m using Chrome / Firefox and it’s a common enough problem that Atlassian sluggishness has been a running joke on multiple teams I’ve been on. Maybe I should measure it and post somewhere, I thought it was a well-known problem but maybe there’s something different about our setups.
- hirako2000 5y agoI have seen on premise issues , infrastructure can be the problem, or config. Jira cloud can also be a problem,but nothing one can do about it other than sending a ticket. I think they know what they are doing wrong with certain "low value" subscriptions.
- cutemonster 5y agoIs Safari slow when using Jira?
- jdmichal 5y ago