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How about not only there being a lack of evidence showing significant election fraud in the UK but there's also positive evidence there is no significant electi

How about not only there being a lack of evidence showing significant election fraud in the UK but there's also positive evidence there is no significant election fraud, and that there are hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who have the right to vote but cannot get ID and adding the extra hurdles and steps to allow these people to vote anyway will discourage at least some from voting? And that this could potentially unfairly affect the results of elections, which is exactly the problem that voter ID is supposed to prevent

CodeGlitch 5y ago
> How about not only there being a lack of evidence Isn't this a chicken and egg problem? Without voter ID we don't know whether fraud has taken place or not. > there are hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who have the right to vote but cannot get ID That is a wider problem that should be fixed. Agreed that in the current state it would cause friction for people to vote.
- earthbee 5y ago
  > Isn't this a chicken and egg problem? Without voter ID we don't know whether fraud has taken place or not. No, they keep a track of who has turned up to vote, if you are putting extra votes in or voting in someone else's name then either the number of votes and number of voters wont tally or you'll start seeing a significant number of people who have voted twice, once from the genuine voter and once the person who was fraudulently voting in someone else's name.
davidhbolton 5y ago
Well there was the well publicised case of Luther Rahman, the Tower Hamlets Mayor. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 But I'm more inclined to suspect postal fraud. There was talk of students voting twice but whether that was a big thing is unknown. But clearly there has been some level of election fraud going on.
- throwaway8689 5y ago
  Lutfur not Luther. I was once encouraged by a canvasser to vote in my home town and where I was studying because 'they'll never know'.

CodeGlitch 5y ago

> How about not only there being a lack of evidence Isn't this a chicken and egg problem? Without voter ID we don't know whether fraud has taken place or not. > there are hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who have the right to vote but cannot get ID That is a wider problem that should be fixed. Agreed that in the current state it would cause friction for people to vote.

earthbee 5y ago
> Isn't this a chicken and egg problem? Without voter ID we don't know whether fraud has taken place or not. No, they keep a track of who has turned up to vote, if you are putting extra votes in or voting in someone else's name then either the number of votes and number of voters wont tally or you'll start seeing a significant number of people who have voted twice, once from the genuine voter and once the person who was fraudulently voting in someone else's name.

davidhbolton 5y ago

Well there was the well publicised case of Luther Rahman, the Tower Hamlets Mayor. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 But I'm more inclined to suspect postal fraud. There was talk of students voting twice but whether that was a big thing is unknown. But clearly there has been some level of election fraud going on.

throwaway8689 5y ago
Lutfur not Luther. I was once encouraged by a canvasser to vote in my home town and where I was studying because 'they'll never know'.