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> It’s amazing that this company continues to fall up. There are still not any knowledge base tools that can keep up with Confluence. For Jira the competition
by polote 5y ago
> It’s amazing that this company continues to fall up.
There are still not any knowledge base tools that can keep up with Confluence. For Jira the competition is slowly catching up but there are still a large gap for big organizations. That's why they are still here, their product is still superior to the competition.
Atlassian get a lot of criticism, that's not always justified
- heytherewhat 5y ago> Atlassian get a lot of criticism Yeah, I think that perception used to be pretty hardcore years ago. I eventually realised that so many, many companies use this software as a backbone to their company and operations. And for the majority of those, the companies like it. So much so that instead of migrating to a competitor, they move to the new cloud offering.
- mumblemumble 5y agoI suspect that a lot of Atlassian's criticism is a reflection of their dominant market position. Outside of smartphones and video game consoles, people generally don't spend much time complaining about products they don't use. For my part, I've spent enough time using both Atlassian products and competitors to find something to hate in all of them. Familiarity breeds contempt.
- runlevel1 5y agoA former Rally engineer once told me, "Rally did a better job than Atlassian at making engineers think positive thoughts about Jira." That said, I can't think of a single feature Atlassian released in the past several years that made the experience of using Jira or Confluence substantially better. (I could at least say markdown support if that was ever ported to Jira Data Center.) The argument for software subscriptions is that it funds continuous improvement, but most of the top complaints from 2011 are just as relevant in 2021.
- yen223 5y agoThere's the famous quote by Bjarne Stroustrup, "There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses". I think that holds true for a lot of things.
- himinlomax 5y agoIs there a way to quickly mark a block as code? Because whatever nice feature it has are completely rendered irrelevant by this lack.
- justin_oaks 5y agoIn Confluence you use the {code} macro.
- kilobaud 5y agoOr use markdown backticks e.g. ```
- deathanatos 5y agoConfluence's code blocks are hot garbage: * Selecting a language on one code block changes the languages for other code blocks on the same page, sometimes. (I've not figured out the exact conditions on this one yet.) * Whitespace is not preserved / rendered the same as the editor; we have several Confluence pages with YAML where the rendered version won't parse, but it looks fine in the editor. Give me Markdown in git any day.
- Riverheart 5y agoDunno about all that but it doesn't support inline code snippets. You've gotta use formatted text, which doesn't look good. Seems like an intern project at best.
- CRConrad 5y agoHuh? What do you mean, isn't Ordinary text blah blah {{interspersed code snippet}} some more ordinary blah blah text working, or haven't you tried it?
- Riverheart 5y agoJust haven't tried it, didn't mean to imply they were false.
- gjvc 5y ago> That's why they are still here, their product is still superior to the competition. No. It's because their products are sticky in nature. The tools are used to hold the current state and historic knowledge of the organisation, and even the thought of replacing one of them gives IT manager types the shakes.
- wbl 5y agoThe search function is atrocious. Some of the most visited, highly important pages will not be found with exact title matches.
- afishisafish 5y agoYou need to start using the asterisk in your title searches...