you probably ignore the amount of raw materials needed to produce your iPhone (not what actually ends up in the product itself). No, that's not an argument. The

you probably ignore the amount of raw materials needed to produce your iPhone (not what actually ends up in the product itself). No, that's not an argument. The only argument is that you can keep growing by not selling anything material at all, like insurances, but with finite, actually soon degrowing population, how would you even think of doing it?