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> to stop the Googles and Yahoos and hotmails from scanning all of my emails, using them to advertise to me, selling the information to advertisers. They don't

> to stop the Googles and Yahoos and hotmails from scanning all of my emails, using them to advertise to me, selling the information to advertisers. They don't sell your information to advertisers. So your threat model here is factually false.

France_is_bacon 5y ago
Do you work for a PR company that works for the industry? Are you an industry flak? Peddle your wares elsewhere. Go tell it to the Marines. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-...
- drivebycomment 5y ago
  From the article: "And companies like Google shouldn’t be able to monetize data they collect without consent even if they aren’t technically “selling” it. Data collection, use, and sharing should be minimized by default." If you meant "selling the information" more broadly as EFF used it here (which I think is not an unreasonable way ultimately, just not what most people would commonly understand the phrase as), then please next time clarify. As EFF had to clarify in their article, that's not what most people understand those phrase as. If you want to avoid confusion, it would be more clear if you say "you don't want your data monetized".
  - France_is_bacon 5y ago
    OK, fine, maybe I was being a touch hyperbolic. But really, the thing is - they keep your information for forever. It's on their hard drives. There's no guarantee that what they say today, won't change tomorrow, or in 2 years, or 5 years. That's the real creepy part for me.
- dang 5y ago
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France_is_bacon 5y ago

Do you work for a PR company that works for the industry? Are you an industry flak? Peddle your wares elsewhere. Go tell it to the Marines. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-...

drivebycomment 5y ago
From the article: "And companies like Google shouldn’t be able to monetize data they collect without consent even if they aren’t technically “selling” it. Data collection, use, and sharing should be minimized by default." If you meant "selling the information" more broadly as EFF used it here (which I think is not an unreasonable way ultimately, just not what most people would commonly understand the phrase as), then please next time clarify. As EFF had to clarify in their article, that's not what most people understand those phrase as. If you want to avoid confusion, it would be more clear if you say "you don't want your data monetized".
- France_is_bacon 5y ago
  OK, fine, maybe I was being a touch hyperbolic. But really, the thing is - they keep your information for forever. It's on their hard drives. There's no guarantee that what they say today, won't change tomorrow, or in 2 years, or 5 years. That's the real creepy part for me.
dang 5y ago
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